Wet shaving!

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  1. SoupRKnowva

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    i found a similar problem of the blades being significantly worse for the second and third shaves for every blade i have ever tried except the feathers. Though with the lower cost of other blades you can use a new one every time and maybe still come out ahead, though for me i also prefer the first shave with the feathers more, enough to pay the difference. Specially considering how much cheaper they are compared to cartridges.

    Welcome to the DE club! Been doing it for quite a few years now and Ive never looked back. Less irritation, less cost and it makes me feel fancy :p
     
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    It may seem like a learning curve, but I think it's more about what one is used to. I was actually used to my Tweezerman and felt I was not getting good results with the denser brush. Eventually, after I got a handle on both of them, I felt it was faster to get great lasting lather with the denser brush. But it did take some getting used to.

    Use what works. There is no substitute to learning how to use the specific tools. Like I said, I'm comfortable with both types of brushes in the end. But it takes some learning. Part of the fun.

    LOL! I don't think Williams smells like urine. It has a faint citrus smell to it. Very faint actually, so to me it's more of a basic product that gets the job done.

    Also I would recommend not to take the soap out of the mug. I usually leave it there until it's done. Even if you do the lather on the mug, just leave the soap there and maybe rinse it when you are done. But it's entirely up to you of course. There is not one "right" way to do things.

    I think cartridges are engineered to get the job done quickly. They are more forgiving of terrible technique. But if your technique improves, they deliver great results as well. All things sort of scale up with technique.

    I do use light hand strokes. But at some point one will grow out of short strokes. One will also get the job done way quicker with a DE or a cartridge than in some of the Mantic videos with practice. Way faster. Mantic videos are great though. One of the best for beginners.

    Currently I'm using both green Proraso and the Tabac soap. For Proraso I use just a dab. It works for me.

    I used to apply alum after straight razor shaves. But not that much anymore. Just cold water these days.

    I've used Cremo. I think it's a good shaving cream though. It should lather well with the brush, but if it does not work for you, it does not work. Try the Proraso deal. See if you get better results.

    Light pressure will reduce irritation. Also you might want to consider not going against the grain for a bit. Going against the grain gets the closest shave, but it does result in more irritation as one gets technique down.
     
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    @Eric_C, I think Tabac might produce a denser lather for the same amount of water than Proraso. Try using a little less water.
     
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    @ultrabike Got it. Will try tomorrow, thanks!
     
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    do you guys really find that using a brush provides that much better of a shave? since i started DE shaving i have always either used barbasol which i didnt worry about lathering, or since i started using proraso green, which i love, its so much better than the barbasol, i just lather on my face with my hands, and i dont really have an trouble.

    if so any recs for good cheap brushes to try?
     
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    The brush should give you quite a bit more lather than using hands. I think the Perfecto brush @fishski13 is using is not a bad place to start. That's actually how I started.

    Lather requires water. Too much will yield a lot of lather after working the brush fairly hard, but it will probably not last much and will lack body. Too little water and it would be too tin. It takes practice to get it right where you want it.

    More than lather per say, the main trick is to keep the hairs wet and fat with water. However, lather is full of water and helps the hair keep wet for relatively easy cutting. Just water tends to drip down and eventually things dry up. Unless one shaves on the shower. Also, the lather may have some amount of lubricant that may help against irritation.
     
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    Check the first few minutes of this Mantic shave (0:36 to about 1:53). The lathering process he is doing there is very close to what I do:



    Except, I don't soak my brush in water that way. I just let the water run on it for a bit until the brush absorbed a bit of water. I also don't put water on the soap usually (though I do rinse the cup with soap from time to time). The brush is pretty wet and it will a bit of soap there already. If using cream, just apply a bit to the wet brush and proceed on the face as Mantic does above.

    Also, I wet my face plenty before applying the brush to get the lather going. This is very important IMO and the first thing to do before applying lather (including the Barbasol deal). Note Mantic above does it also. Again, Mantic is a great source for the beginner.

    EDIT: LOL! I think he went a bit overboard with the lather there (proly a bit too much water), but it worked in the end. I also dunno about the debris and pulling the hair out explanation there. I think it just keeps the hair wet and lubricates the skin.

    EDIT2: Shut! I actually use the same DE, the soap looks like a rum scented Conk soap and the brush is not the Perfecto deal, but it might be close. That said, while the advice is solid, I do the shave a little different and I have no problem with the cartridge against the grain and stuff. Dunno why he has problems with the cartridge. I also do not think he is shaving insanely fast. This is a great video, but don't take it as gospel.

    EDIT3: I used to apply hot water on my face and on the brush. I now use cold water. IMO, less irritation.
     
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    I have an Edwin Jagger handle with a Lord L6 head and I use Gilette 7 o'clock blades. The razor combo was due to an accident. I knocked the razor off the counter and snapped the thread off the head. I couldn't find a replacement part and I saw a number of people recommend the Lord razor for cheap. I got one off Amazon and put the head on the old handle. It is the best razor I have used so far.

    Omega boar bristle brush and locally made bay rum shaving soap.
     
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    I like DE shaving, but find the extra 5 or so minutes is a challenge to carve out when I'm leaving in the morning, as I have to be on the road by 5:50. I've started using a cartridge in the shower, and while it's certainly not an amazing shave, the new razor i'm using works quite well and doesn't require any significant prep.
     
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    That's a struggle for me as well. I usually shave at night.
     
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    This is normal. I seldom use the straight on weekdays in the morning. I use to use it all the time at night, but at some point one just wants to watch Netflix at night and forget about it (LOL! But after all this talk I shaved yesterday night with a straight and Proraso).

    I use the cartridge and the DE interchangeably in the mornings. But the cartridge is usually like 1 minute faster for me. It used to be a 5 min difference before.

    Shaving in the shower might save some time too. I would need to install a mirror thingy or something to get that mojo going.
     
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    I find that DE is the same time for me but I also have a beard so I am just shaving my neck and checks.
     
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    My Stirling order came in. The Kong brush can whip some serious lather with little effort. My Perfecto bush was a little too abrasive for my tastes, but the Kong is super soft with a stiff backbone. Super happy with the Stirling products as well.

    Again, the 3rd shave on the Astra SP blade causes too much irritation. I can immediately feel my hairs pulling with a simple WTG on the cheek. Maybe I should try a pre-shave prep, but I've also been neglecting to dry and wipe my blade off after each use. At $.11 a blade, I'm not going to get too lathered up about it - the first shave on the blade are the best shaves I've ever had. I ordered a blade sampler pack from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N6EEZ60/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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    Congrats on the brush! Like I said before, I also find soft and more bushy brushes yield better nicer lather with less effort.

    Those Astra SP blades sound like they are shit. If they pull the hair, the problem is definitively sharpness. I grabbed some old Gillettes my wife had around and it was not fun. I can tell you with confidence that the Personna comfort coated blades are all kinds of awesome. Teflon coating does seem to make a difference. I honestly dunno about any of those in the sampler. I mean I've heard about all of them and know about the different samplers. But I have not tried them. Let me know how they turn out :)

    I have tried pre-shave stuff before. Oils and things like that when I started with a straight razor. It might help some people, but I didn't feel they helped me much.
     
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    Looking good fishski! I haven't tried the Stirling shave soaps but I use the facial and bath soap everyday and I love them.

    I find the Astra's work well enough even though they aren't super sharp. They are easy to use and consistent, but they never give me the super close shave of some of the sharper blades. In my experience sometimes tugging can be the result of too steep of a blade angle. Perhaps trying a shallower angle might make a difference? As you say, there isn't much loss in using a new blade every couple days. I often have the same problem with Feathers.

    From the sampler pack you posted I really like the Gillette Silver Blue and the Voshkod. I think they are similar to the Astra but a little bit sharper.

    I agree on the pre-shave as well. If I feel like I need the added prep I found it to be more easily remedied by using more soap/water to get a better lather.
     
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    My wife bought me a Rockwell 6S for Christmas. Two shaves so far with a #4 base and I'm really impressed with this razor. I like the added heft and weight. The handle grips and doesn't slip with wet fingers unlike the 34C. I get a louder audible feedback of the razor cutting the hairs as well.

    With the Merkur 34C, getting the blade alignment along the safety bar was a PITA. No issues with the 6S. Tolerances and overall shaving precision appear and feel better. Smooth.
     
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    I swear by Rapira blades - crazy sharp without being as aggressive as a Feather. I'll check out the Rockwell, as my current Edwin Jagger DE89 is a little light for my tastes.
     
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    I just picked up a Feather Artist Club SS as my first foray into straight razors.

    I'll post some impressions over the weekend if I don't accidentally Sweeney Todd myself first.
     

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