August 2017 is Higher s/n Ratio Month - Ten Thoughts

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  1. Marvey

    Marvey Loves sex and records

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    There are times when I wake up in the morning to check up on SBAF, and I am horrified that the nature of the posts has become like HF.

    Let's make an attempt for the rest of August to maintain a higher s/n ratio. I have some thoughts:

    1. Avoid HF'ish banter: Lite arguments for the sake of "discussion", the current location (Wyoming) of your package from Schiit, offering super helpful hints of how to clean a CD, in a vinyl thread, etc. You guys know what I mean.
    2. Don't hit the post button. After you type up your post, ask yourself if the post contributes to the thread in any meaningful way. I don't hit the post button for 30% of posts that I start on - that is I trash 30% my of posts, or consolidate them (see next item).
    3. Avoid one liners - unless they are in reply to a specific question or are necessary in the situation. Attempt to consolidate your posts. Instead of posting a sucessive stream of one liners within a several minute span, go back and append your starting post with your growing list of thoughts.
    4. People who contribute actual content have the right to post more noise. At least they have a s/n ratio > 0.1. Ask yourself: what's my s/n ratio? OMG! I mostly post noise. Yup.
    5. Avoid rehashing of same ol' sme ol' shit - especially on topics where it's mostly talking out of your ass, e.g. how digital signals reflect off of quantum singularities, blind tests (when you've never conducted one in your life), etc.
    6. Avoid correcting people on minor technicalities when it's clear what they mean. PM them instead.
    7. Avoid random thoughts - if even they are random audio related thoughts. Keep on topic. Write that random thought on a list where you can later organize a crtiical mass of random thoughts to make a meaningful post.
    8. Get back on-topic. Anyone who goes off-topic has a responsibility to bring the tangent back to the circle, the faster this is done, the better. It depends upon how skillful you are at weaving a seemingly unrelated topic or amusing story into the thread.
    9. Avoid quoting what Mike Moffat said from HF. We read HF too. Besides, he's going to throw a lot of shit to misdirect you. Or prove that what he said before was wrong because he likes challenges. Generally in these situations, don't post unless you actually know what the f*** is going on, like you've actually been to Mike Moffat's or Rob Watt's house. The idea is here is not do the "quote from the Bible" thing. It's annoying as hell.
    10. Avoid piling on to noise. Just ignore it. Unless you are a moderator, piling on to noise is more noise.
    P.S. Post stupid shit in your Profile Posts (local SBAF Twitter like space).
     
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  2. Marvey

    Marvey Loves sex and records

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    I will be bumping this thread to keep reminding people.

    BTW: FULL DICK MODE ON. Expect me to be blunt.

    We need to go back to a time where people felt more afraid to post random shit.
     
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  3. Mshenay

    Mshenay Slightly aspie. Don't make fun of.

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    I'm gulty of a higher Noise ratio for sure, but fear isn't what's needed here or any where. HF is run on fear, fear of the mod's removing post's they don't like to protect their sponsors at the expense of us as consumers and contributors to this industry

    Respect, mindfulness and focus are what's needed, this list is an excellent example of encouraging us all to embrace just that. I don't have much to contribute as I came here to learn an when I forget that, thankfully I'm quickly reminded.
     
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    people often don't get respectful messages to change their mindless behavior. case in point, this thread: http://www.superbestaudiofriends.or...arage-1217-amps-and-related-miscellania.4823/

    in fact, people often do the opposite, treating their past behavior as a sunk cost, stubbornly doubling down on such behavior even when they know better (i hope).

    to be clear, marv didn't say -- be afraid because you'll randomly be shocked in the genitals until you're huddled depressed and crying in a corner. what he said was "be afraid to post random shit" on the site, which has been happening a lot. the culture at head-fi and reddit and other places is one in which people use posts like a personal chat board or personal diary or place to reaffirm choices and fish for social approval. this place is not like those places. the process of acculturation takes time and people here are friendly, but not stupid. the friendliness will change to dickishness if the site is misused or used selfishly without regard for explicitly stated common goals (see marv's post above). new folks just need to be cautious about treating this place like other places, respect the culture and goals of the place, read and observe the behavior of the natives and learn. so goes the saying When in Rome...

    marv's post above is a perfect intro summary into what to do / not to do. so read it over and heed its call.
     
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    This. One thing I've learned that's served me well at work, in real life and here has been to draft my message, leave it in drafts, come back a little later and ask myself a few questions before I hit send/post:
    1. Is this the right person or group to send this to?
    2. Is this message valuable to my audience?
    3. Is this the right time to send or post this?
    4. Is this the right medium for communicating this message?
    5. Is this message worded or phrased in an appropriate manner for the audience?
    Our hobby attracts a disproportionate number of loners due to the personal nature of headphones. I think sometimes newcomers have a hard time reading the crowd and making intelligent posting decisions. Hell, sometimes old timers have a hard time understanding the culture here.
     
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    EDIT: Re-written.

    It's in people's nature to be talkative, forums tend to be setup to cater for it, however nonsensical it can be. SBAF however is about intelligent discussion to further our understanding, it's academic in nature. But we're all human, and will lapse into meandering conversation.

    We're critical-listeners and most people don't know what that really is. They have ears too, and will believe there isn't much more to it. I imagine it like an amateur gardener unwittingly walking into a climate change conference, and returning each time without realising what really goes on there. Earning increasing disdain from other attendees, to that persons confused dismay.

    SBAF has an inviting name and superficially presents itself like any other forum, and people tend not to read-the-manual or warning signage. This won't ever change. The question I ask myself is how can this be inherently communicated when people first visit the site so that they know what this place really is and what is expected of members, without making it an invitation-only club.
     
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    cizx.6 Just couldn't stay away...

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  8. Marvey

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    Bumping. Read this: http://www.superbestaudiofriends.or...7-is-higher-s-n-ratio-month-ten-thoughts.4829

    DO NOT BURDEN ME ON MODERATION DECISIONS, SOMEONE ELSE DISLIKING YOUR POST, CUSTOM TITLES, SOMEONE CALLING YOU NAMES, OR OTHER BULLSHIT. WE HAVE SEVERAL OTHER ACTIVE ADMINS / MODERATORS. ABOUT A DOZEN PEOPLE HAVE MESSAGED ME ON STUPID STUFF. I CAN'T DEAL WITH IT ALL. I'M NOT YOUR HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER. AND THIS ISN'T A CLASS OF 28 KIDS. I AM ALSO NOT YOUR DAD. YOU NEED TO SOLVE YOUR OWN PROBLEMS.

    WHILE I MAY SET THE OVERALL TONE AND DIRECTION OF THE SITE, I DO NOT GET INVOLVED IN DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS UNLESS THEY ARE THINGS THAT I AM DIRECTLY WORKING ON.

    THINK OF ME AS YOU WOULD CAPTAIN PICARD. PICARD DOES NOT ACCEPT HOLO MESSAGES FROM ENSIGNS OR REDSHIRTS. IT'S CONSIDERED AUSPICIOUS IF HE EVEN ACKNOWLEDGES THE EXISTENCE OF REDSHIRTS. EVEN IF YOU ARE FRIEND / CONTRIBUTOR, THAT ONLY MEANS YOU ARE AN ENGISN.

    CAPTAIN PICARD ONLY TALKS TO HIS INNER CIRCLE. SORRY. THIS IS THE WAY IT IS. YOU GUYS HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE PRETTY MUCH NO LIFE BECAUSE OF THIS SITE. MY REAL JOB PLUS FAMILY PLUS KIDS (WHO I LOVE TO PLAY WITH) AND THIS IS A TON OF WORK. MY GARAGE IS A MESS AND I HAVE AN EXPENSIVE TURNTABLE AND SPEAKER PARTS I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER FOR MY PERSONAL ENJOYMENT BECAUSE OF YOU GUYS.

    ALSO STOP ASKING ME GREAT QUESTIONS ON GEAR VIA PERSONAL MESSAGE. ALL THE QUESTIONS ON GEAR I HAVE RESPONDED TO ARE EXCELLENT, BUT THEY ARE BETTER SERVED BEING ASKED IN THE FORUMS. IT IS A FORUM WITH A LOT OF VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE, NOT ASK A MESSAGE MARV FOR ADVICE WEBSITE.

    SORRY TO PULL OFF A JUDE, BUT SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE DRIVING ME NUTS. I CAN'T CONTINUE TO KEEP ON THE NICE GUY MARV ALWAYS WILLING TO SPEND TIME TO HELP OTHERS ROUTINE.

    P.S. THAT WOULD BE AWESOME IF SOMEONE COULD PUT THE ABOVE IN A STAR WARS LIKE CRAWLER ANIMATION AND CHANGE PICARD TO VADER AND ENSIGN / REDSHIRT TO LOW RANKING IMPERIAL OFFICER / STORMTROOPER.
     
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  9. Marvey

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    OK. THINK OF IT THIS WAY. IF YOU NEED TO TALK TO VADER - INTERRUPT HIM IN HIS MEDITATION CHAMBER - IT BETTER BE FOR A F***ING GOOD REASON.
     
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    lemme paraphrase... don't make Marv go down to where you work and slap the Dick out of your mouth.
     
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    On dislikes:

    If you report a user for disliking you or you think to PM mods or admins about a dislike, you are missing the point of the forum. We've created a culture where we don't take ourselves seriously and dislikes mean pretty much nothing. Marv and I dislike each other's posts randomly just to mess with each other and neither of us takes personal offense.

    Going forward, if you report a user for dislikes or PM a staff member about them, you may end up with a custom title you don't like. It will be the forum equivalent of being pantsed for having your mom complain to another kid's mom for not inviting you to their birthday party.
     
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    @Marvey Is helping me pick out clothes, or at least socks, off the table too?

    @zerodeefex moved out here but has been no help in this regard.
     
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    I can help dress you. But be warned I have expensive tastes.
     
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    The other thing I've noticed is the attention span of the reader. I like reading big posts and most of you seem to as well. I've got maybe 4 posts in the Chord Hugo 2 thread, that I can condense into 1, this audience has a stronger focus than HF or Reddit. Unlike there, you guys don't need or want "daily" updates or repetition [Well @Torq would disagree with that he seems to need to repeat him self a lot]. How ever being active in both communities I forget that sometimes, the Audience here can and would prefer to process a larger more concise post. ONE Post with all of the information I have to offer, where as with other communities it's easier for them to process it in little chunks.
     
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    You are not allowed to post in this thread. I will be blunt: YOU POST A LOT of NOISE. Your actions cause slight consternation among many members, who do privately talk to each other about you. I normally miss these kinds of conversations because I am not interested, but once it reaches me, I know there is a problem.

    This slight consteranation that you cause, multiplied a hundred fold among those affected, collectively translates into a significant amount of pain and suffering. Yes, you, you by yourself, are a cause of significant pain to suffering to the members here. Please be more considerate going forward. Yes, chew on that a little.
     
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    Either @Marvey's a bit miffed, or he meant this to compile in COBOL


    *took me 2 mins, thanks @Elnrik
     
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    For newcomers (and for those who have forgotten), when Dick Mode™ is on, be like...

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    Add this...

     
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