Burson and Violectric, why the hate?

@roskodan WTF
https://www.head-fi.org/members/roskodan.353490/

 

IIRC someone brought up his Head-Fi page before, and marvelled at the fact that no one's gone out of their way to purge it. I mean, @roskodan even links straight here, which is pretty impressive.

Tempted to theorise they're actually a HF mod who was given leave to make this place look bad. Calling it! /s

 

Given the on-again/off-again sign-up we're doing lately, I'd think we'd want to more aggressively prune such obvious incoherent and deliberate taunt-worthy ass-hattery even as it applies to existing "members".

Hell, I'd propose literal drawing and quartering merely for the language-level butchery on display in the main offenders posts. And would probably advise buying a functional keyboard ahead of more audio expenditure ahead of that, even.

Clearly any auditory treatment would be like shutting the barn door after the horse had evolved into a full-blown Pegasus.

With lasers.

 

I have heard two Burson models and find them meh. Sounded too mechanical. I even preferred the Vali with a Senn over a Burson regardless of its slightly grainier sound.
I heard one Vioelectric model with the hd800 and 800s out of a Chord Dave and found it meh as well and even preferred Senns own dac/amp vs that more expensive chord/vioelectric combo. The chord/vioelectric sounded chunky and less smooth IMO.
My experience of both brands have been that I would rather look elsewhere for the price.

 

That's too complex and refined, given all the nonsense he posts, that's impossible for him, I think he's just messed up in the head.

 

I'm not even sure what this thread is about anymore but for what it's worth:

1) I owned the Burson HA160 for a while and found it fun and enjoyable with the HD650, it added a quite a bit of slam and oomph to the HD650 which made them quite fun to listen to. However, the HA160 fell apart completely with the HD800 and then it just sounded uncontrolled, blubbery in the bass and generally out of its league. To use Marv's lingo I see the HA160 as a specific recommendation in the mid-fi category. Some people might like it a lot, others might hate it.

2) I owned the V200 for a while and think it's a very good middle-of-the-road do-no-wrong kind of amp. I can't say I was madly in love with it, but it's very hard to criticize. It was a pretty good match with the HD800 in terms of tonality, but on the other hand there really wasn't much sparkle, magic or soundstage to speak of. With the HD650 it was just boring. The V200 is a bit like the quiet girl in middle school you kind of fancied but you weren't really sure why, she was kind of cute but on the other hand nothing really special. She was nice but she didn't really stand out, and in the end it didn't really go anywhere.

3) I've listened to the V281 and it's kind of more of the same as the V200. It's really good and hard to fault, but perhaps not for +$2000..

I think if you're running a studio, or auditioning headphones, the V281 could be a really good buy. It will be pretty neutral, give you plenty of power to work with and a very good baseline with little coloration. But as an enthusiast who wants a bit more excitement and synergy out of the rest of my chain I'd rather buy something else.

It all kind of makes sense though, Violectric is made by Lakepeople in Germany and they have a history of making pro-audio equipment. So buying a Violectric amp is a bit like buying studio monitors and using them for high-fi. It's going to sound good, it's going to be damn hard to criticize, but most enthusiasts might like a bit more coloration and excitement thrown in there. Because after all most of us are in it for the "excitement of music" and not to have it "rendered impeccably".

 

ass-hatery even!

 

Fully agreed here. DACs do a lot of heavylifting once everything else is able to show this.

 

Hi Marvey, when you say "blub blub blub" bass, could you describe it a bit more with maybe a specific example from a song where it is particularly noticeable? Or maybe try describing the opposite of it. I am really intrigued, because I honestly have not heard any weakness when it comes to the way the mk2 handles the low end, at least in combination with the LCD2C. If I were to compare it to the Magni 3 in general, it is definitely a more neutral (i.e. brighter) amp, with a wider soundstage, which I prefer. It actually quite reminds me of the Valhalla 2 with a stronger low end.

 

Well, there was this asshole: Just read the part about the midrange of his copy/pasted masturbatory "review"
http://www.superbestaudiofriends.or...ral-discussion-thread.424/page-50#post-194137

See the post directly after for my response.

I think we should be cool to people to make an honest effort and tough on people who bring shitty behavior we never want to see here (e.g. cringy hype that is more about the reviewer touching themselves).

 

Bought a violectric v 281 right after they came out. Thought it was very overpriced for the cost. Dumped it a couple months later.

 

Hi Marv,

When u said conductor v1, did u mean the original conductor or the conductor virtuoso 1?

 

So this coming from a rando, apply your own weight to that.. but why call the guy an asshole? My interpretation is he wrote that review being a little over-exited. I wouldn’t categorize it as BS either, he did give some useful impressions, somewhere in between the superlatives - at least he tried.

Being tough to someone doesn’t have to equal breaking him down completely, does it?

 

I thought so. To me, there is a big change in sound signature from the conductor to CV (Conductor Virtuoso) lineup.

I owned both the conductor and CV2 at one point. The difference was quite stark to my noob ears. I noticed it within seconds. The conductor was way too warm.

Im not saying the CV lineup is a damm good amp. Im just saying it is a much better amp than their previous lineup to me.

 

Looks like I was saved by "No, our USB does not work with Linux."

Whilst the tone of their marketing appealed to me somewhat (a bit old-school hifi), it seems that the tone of their product would not!

(This was a few years ago. I had not heard it, and have not subsequently. have no idea of the USB support status of their current models)