Coffee: we drink it or we get angry.

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  1. ButtUglyJeff

    ButtUglyJeff Stunningly beautiful IRL

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    Well you should rinse your filter. That's what I do with my ceramic cone, use kettle water to wash any paper dust out before adding grounds. I then swirl the hot water in the container below to warm it up...
     
  2. ButtUglyJeff

    ButtUglyJeff Stunningly beautiful IRL

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    Yeah, that stuff will put some hair on you...
     
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    Always preheat your brewing equipment, especially if you live at elevation, and always rinse a paper filter.
     
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    Saga continues. Took apart the Hario Skereton grinder and found the wobble of the central shaft to be pretty darn bad when trying to get a mid grind for a pour over. Boulders and fines is what I get,

    It really is bad, so made up a cup using much finer grind and quick all at once pour. Not too bad,but too bitter (over extracted?). I am resigned that I need a new grinder and Hario has updated to a Skereton Plus and Pro. Seems like the pro might do the job. Staying away from more expensive for now and I might switch over to Clever.

    Yea, started out with No new equipment mantra, now trying to fix what's effed up by buying new stuff, sound familiar, haha.
     
  6. Vansen

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    Are you opposed to electric grinders? The bare bones electric grinder I would recommend is the Baratza Encore. And even at $140 it requires regular cleaning, as the burrs will blind over.

    For hand grinders, I would ask @brencho his recommendations before buying anything. You might be wasting your time with that Hario hand grinder.

    The Hario V60 is not your problem and don’t spend any money on new non-grinder equipment until you have your grinder 100% figured out.
     
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    @Vansen The Amazon 16% one star reviews and non-responsive customer service comments scared me off of the Encore. I very rarely buy anything on Amazon if it has over 7% 1 star reviews.

    Brencho uses Aston Martin priced hand grinders from what I have read, I am more in the civic range, haha.

    And I use a Beehouse not v60 but similar.
     
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    @Vansen is right. V60 is fine, clever is also good and cheap and useful so by all means. But for hand grinders I'd say move away from hario and porlex and get a feldgrind, kelor, etc etc as they are all a huge step up for still not a massive sum all things considered. There are some places that have them in stock like prima coffee. Feldgrind is maybe 150? There are quite a few options in the 100-150 range that will last you a very long time and work amazingly well. Also support vansen's suggestion of baratza you really can't go wrong with them.
     
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    Hmmm. Agreed on analysis of the Encore there, but most people I know won’t spend more than that on a grinder. I know many folks with the Virtuoso. It gets dirty quick and is a PITA to clean, but have only ever seen one die in about ten years.

    The aforementioned Aston Martin hand grinders start at about about $150 to $250, such as the Lido. I have the original Lido from ~2010 that I still use today. The Lido 2 is about $195, which is its replacement. The Lido 1 was the only show in town when I bought mine, and I haven’t looked at similarly priced hand grinders since then...

    I have looked at most of the sub $100 hand grinders, looking for an affordable gem, but they’re all unacceptable in my book. Maybe one will come around someday, but I haven’t found it yet.
     
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    I used a Peugeot coffee grinder in France. Thats not an analogy either.

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    @Cspirou I’m always on the lookout for an antique Peugeot grinder when I step into an antique shop.

    And honestly, in electric grinder land, I feel as if I’m schilling Yugos unless you step up to the Baratza Forte BG. :/ That feeling may be misplaced, but it’s still there.

    My dream would be a Ditting KR1203, but it’s too tall to fit under any cabinet in any plebeian kitchen I’ve owned. Plus, any sane SO would rightfully shut down that plan, so best not to even think about it.
     
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    I'd love a big conical if I could afford one lol. Plus it would be too big.

    I've had my Vario for years now, it's been a great grinder. But their price keeps going up :(

    This is why grinders are often a problem, people have a hard time paying hundreds of dollars for a good one, and the cheaper ones don't cut it.
     
  14. Skyline

    Skyline Double-blindly done with this hobby

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    I'll stand out here. I have a (relatively) cheap Capresso Infinity and it does a fine job for me with pour overs. As long as you stay medium or finer it does alright. It's a lost cause for coarse grind/french press stuff.

    @bixby this may sound silly but my fix for bitterness or overly acidic results was to add a little stirring during the brew process. 4-6 stirs in the middle of the pour or at the end did the trick.

    I tried it after seeing it in a few YouTube videos and skeptically have it a shot.

    Magic.
     
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    Cspirou They call me Sparky

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    I second stirring coffee while brewing. I basically do what this guy does



    @Vansen - i have 4-5 Peugot grinders inherited from my grandmother and aunts. The flea markets around France always have them.
     
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    Does anyone here make Greek/Turkish style coffee? If so please let me know what coffee you use and what your process is.

    This is what I have been doing to make Greek style coffee and I am sure it is sacrilege.
    pacific roasting coffee guatemala + mortar and pestle + cardamon + water + ibrik = thick chocolaty coffee

    Overall I am using a little over a tablespoon and a half of very finely ground coffee and about 8 fl oz of water.
     
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  17. Cspirou

    Cspirou They call me Sparky

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    @SteelCannon - Im pretty sure it needs a super fine grind. Finer then espresso even.
     
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    Knock (the Feldgrind people) has a new compact grinder that fits inside an Aeropress that's about $100 or so. It's made in China instead of Scotland if that's important to you. I just got mine last week, but haven't used it yet.

    http://www.madebyknock.com/store/p39/aergrind_.html

    @bixby You may want to try different coffees or brew methods before chasing after grinders. There are coffees out there that aren't great or don't fit your preferred flavor profiles. I'm also not a huge fan of pourovers as it's hard to be consistent with it. French press, Clever or Aeropress are all worth trying for single-serves.
     
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    @Andre Y

    Yes, i looked at the new Aero grinder, but a video on youtube shows it wobbles just like the cheaper stuff, perhaps not as much. My Hario Skereton is really off, yet it managed a decent cup of Scandinavian blend this morning.

    Ordered a mini slim plus hario and a clever bundle. Maybe some day a Feld2.
     
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    The wobbling should matter only if the two parts of the burrs are moving relative to each other.
     

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