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Do you consider GUTB's headphone system to be hi-fi or mid-fi? (Post #185)

  1. Mid-fi

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  2. Hi-fi

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  1. GUTB

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    Okay guys. My 2 cents, which I'm sure everyone has been dying for...

    I haven't really followed these threads, and just got the gist of things: some lowlife at a meet ripped off a HE-X, and Jude, somehow connecting this event to another matter (?) between Head-Fi and HiFiMan bitched to Feng and someone got fired. So, to me, there seems to be two separate issues:

    1. The lowlife. Since it appears he is probably a member of the community, it's likely that he is reading this thread, in which case I've alerted him that he's, in fact, a lowlife.

    2. Firing people from their job, and to me a the larger issue. That's a HUGE turn-off. I don't really see why a HE-X getting stolen at a meet has the least connection to someone's job unrelated to the theft. Also -- am I missing something here? It's not Jude that fired him, but Feng; he worked for Feng, not Jude, and was fired by Feng. Why would Feng do something like that? For example, if HiFiMan had a contractual agreement with Head-Fi to give Jude first dibs on new products, and an employee ended up causing HiFiMan to violate the agreement, than that would be a disciplinary action against the employee (ie, a stern talking-to) -- not termination. Firing seems way beyond the just cause. Is there something more to this story?
     
  2. Thad E Ginathom

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    Of course there is. The kind of pressures that have been used by some of the world's biggest corporations to get them, and keep them, where they are. Yes, of course there is a big personal-responsibility issue here, but please re-read the bit about 1/3rd of all sales. In a perfect world, you'd be right. In a practical, business-oriented world, you're not wrong... but not nearly so right either.
     
  3. ultrabike

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    1. The two events are not unconnected, because Jude used the loss of an HE-X to pressure Feng into firing someone.

    2. We do not know who the "lowlife" is or if he is a member of "the community".

    3. I'm not sure how you know for a fact that HiFiMan had a contractual agreement with Head-Fi to give Jude first dibs (this would be news to me), or that Jude forced Feng to take "disciplinary action against the employee" and that this was not going to result in that employee's termination. Is there something more to this story?
     
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    I believe he said if, and not as a fact.

    I don't like what GUTB has to say most of the time either, but let's pin him down for the shit he actually spews instead of giving him a chance to act the maligned victim.
     
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    Unless I'm missing something, there is no "contractual agreement", and Jeff was fired from HiFiMan because Jude pressured Feng to do so. The loss of an HE-X was one reason to pressure Feng to do so.

    That is a little more than a "HUGE" turn-off.
     
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    Someone who steals from a meet has abused the trust the community that invited him and damaged the reputation of the group as a whole. That is 100% the actions of a lowlife. Others have noted that most everyone at the meet were known -- so, the thief is probably a part of the community. Probably.

    Also note, I have no idea for what the person was fired for, only that it is in connection to to the theft and Jude's bitching. I just made up a scenario in which there could be some sort of connection for the sake of an example to illustrate that even in the case of an employee's wrong-doing, the punishment seems way beyond the offence.
     
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    AFAIK, Jude pressured Feng into firing someone in a scenario were there was no wrong-doing.

    As far as the lowlife thief, like others said, there were a few folks that I personally did not know. I remember the dude that was sharpening knives, and did not know who he was. I could say the same about other folks, which I'm not sure where SBAF members at all.
     
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    But, something fundamentally doesn't make sense:

    Jude has absolutely and utterly nothing to do with SABF meets -- right? How is it that he both able to call up Feng and bitch to him about it, and how is it that Feng takes him seriously? The story makes it sound like Jude runs HiFiMan, and not Feng. You are saying that Jude, who is unrelated to the meet or the theft, calls Feng, and convinces him to fire an employee also not related to the theft? How in ANY way can Jude even pretend to be damaged?
     
  9. Friday

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    Knew we could count on you to spew shit.
    Er, he has a phone and a functioning vocal cords?
     
  10. No_One411

    No_One411 Fired by Jude

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    Sigh, I guess I will say something here, but only because I'm tired of people making random assumptions.

    - Jude doesn't trust me due to my involvement with CS and now SBAF. I am the monster in the night that is out to sabotage Fang, other vendors (see Alpha Prime incident), and eventually Head-Fi. Out of respect for Fang, I posted very minimally for a good portion of my year helping him to avoid attention. If nothing else, this the biggest reason I'm no longer helping Fang. He cannot afford to have an employee that is in poor standing with someone that manages the community of one of his larger customer bases.

    - The loaner Edition X is only a small portion of what happened. The salient point is that the missing headphone was used as evidence that the members here cannot be trusted.

    All I want is for Jude to understand that he essentially ruined a good portion of this hobby for me simply due to a personal grudge.
     
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    Jeff shouldn't have to air all of his dirty laundry himself publicly because we have members who need to understand every reason behind everything.

    @GUTB

    Jude controls the outlet for a significant portion of these vendors' revenue.

    How would you feel if someone called you up and said they'd cut you off from 1/10 to 1/3 of your income if you didn't fire someone? What if this person threatened you multiple times? What if the employee was just part time? Even if you can tell me right now you'd do the right thing and tell this person to f**k off, you'd be pretty scared shitless if this was actually happening to you. I know I would be.

    Jude doesn't like that we're competition and he is extremely paranoid and insecure. There's nothing more to it than that. Anything he can do to kill any random perceived advantage he will. The thing is: it doesn't matter who gets gear first. We buy gear ourselves and then review it if we have to. And we measure it CONSISTENTLY. And we do it well.

    I could not care less what anyone else is doing, we will keep making this place better because we prioritize the community first, the gear and music second, and being "best" or "winning" not at all.
     
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    So, basically, Jude is just pursuing a vendetta? I'm really not impressed that Feng went along with it -- does he honestly think Jude's sponsorship is really responsible for a large part of HiFiMan's sales -- and not the fact that they are highly respected hi-fi products that generate tonnes of buzz? If I were Feng I would have laughed in Jude's face, but -- I'm not him, obviously. I hope Feng isn't so far into Jude's "pocket" that he stops sending out loaners, and if he does, that would be a huge mistake IMO.
     
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    It's easy to be a big man on the internet and say you'll do the right thing. It's a different story when you and your entire company including hundreds of employees may potentially suffer significant economic hardship based off your decisions.

    You are incredibly small minded.
     
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    So, you would have fired NoOne?
     
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    I didn't say that, but you're reducing this to some simple set of variables that you can understand easily rather than admitting this is a lot more f'ing nuanced.

    You've basically been a garbage member so far.
     
  16. JK47

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    Dude, you should probably stop stirring the pot and drop the subject.
     
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    At this point, I feel there is ZERO point in digging here. The dust has settled...the lost HEX is inconsequential right now AND it has been paid for. Also, it is unimportant compared to the larger issue in my eyes at least, the firing of an employee. BUT, that has simply reaffirmed what most members already knew about certain people.

    This thread serves no purpose at this point. If I was admin, I would just lock it and put it away.

    The journey for music and all things related are much more important. The community SHOULD focus on helping other members move that goal forward and achieve it if they are in a position to help others move closer to what they seek.
     
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    Okay, fine, fine. If we all agree that firing someone over some psychopath / asshole is wrong, I guess I don't really have anything to argue about. People losing their jobs is just such a huge, massive trigger.
     
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    I'm going to be cleaning the thread moving a bunch of chatter to another an relocking this one. Just haven't had time yet since I'm on mobile right now.
     
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    Uncalled for.
    And learn to spell Fang's name properly.
     
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