I hate tube rolling, but let's discuss tubes.

Discussion in 'General Audio Gear Discussion' started by Marvey, Dec 12, 2015.

  1. sorrodje

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    Good idea but it deserves its own thread @Setzz !
     
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    Happy to do own thread, will make when I get home!
     
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    I recently replaced some new stock Mullard 12AX7s with Gold Lion ECC83s in the preamp section of my Cayin integrated. Gold Lions have nice tone, a bit warm, but more detail than the Mullards. Also compared to some new stock Sovtek 12ax7LPSs and found the Gold Lions to be very similar sonically, but less boomy in the lower bass/sub bass. Better sense of space around instruments with the Gold Lions, too. Construction-wise the Sovteks and the Gold Lions look very similar.
     
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    KR teamed up with JPS Audio to make some special edition 2a3s. They want 1000usd a pair and won't sell outside of USA. These are the first new stock tubes I'm really interested in. However Joe's stuff is really hit or miss. Has anyone heard them?
    Al
     
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    I came across a pair of new in box NOS Philips E188 SQ when I had just bought the Yggdrasil and Mjolnir2 (used). Paid about $30 for a pair which I believe was a good price (??)
    They sound nice, but with Yggdrasil/Mjolnir2 and HD800 I find them to expand the soundstage too much than what I had hoped for. The separation kind of of draws instruments too far apart. I'm sure I've seen similar reports somewhere.
    I then stumbled across a pair of LM Ericsson 2C51, also for $30 which seemed like a good deal and given that I'd paid bargain money for the Yggdrasil/Mjolnir2I thought I could afford taking a chance.
    I felt the soundstage came together in a better way and...well it just sounds very pleasant. Worth $30 at least...

    I guess what I'm trying say is that it seems you can pay a whole lot of dollars for tubes, but what in the hell? Is the difference that big? At least for me it made a bit of a difference, worth the price I paid, but no more. Back to buying music. Thanks for reading.
     
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    I have purchased many tubes in last 2 years and what I realized is that the bias settings is more important than tube rolling.
    The benefits of Changing bias can literally wake up and liven up a tube...

    Also, I feel almost no "new production" tube can actually outperform an old stock tube.

    Yet I only have experience with a few small tube types, like the e80cc, 12a*7, 6s*7, 6f8g, 6n6, 6h30, 6V6&6L6 types and equivalents.

    Haven't yet got into bigger direct heated types.
     
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