MUST READ FOR NEW MEMBERS

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  1. Joh

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    MUST READ FOR NEW MEMBERS!
    STOP. DO NOT PASS GO, UNTIL YOU READ.


    TOPICS COVERED IN THIS POST:
    • THREE THINGS TO KNOW AND TO DO BEFORE YOUR FIRST POST
    • SIX SIMPLE GUIDELINES TO FOLLOW AS A MEMBER
    • NOT ABOUT SCIENCE
    • NOT A MUTUAL ADULATION SOCIETY
    • DICK MODE / MINORITY REPORT BAN POLICY

    THREE THINGS TO KNOW OR TO DO BEFORE YOUR FIRST POST.
    1. Take some time to lurk and learn the culture here before posting. See @MuppetFace's bar analogy in the quote below.
    2. Introduce yourself here: http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/new-members-introduce-yourself.17/
    3. Ask gear advice here: http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?forums/advice-threads.71/ DO NOT MAKE NEW THREADS IN RANDOM SUBFORUMS.


    SIX SIMPLE GUIDELINES TO FOLLOW AS A MEMBER

    1. Try to be nice. Don't be an ass (1).
    2. Try to be on topic. If you go off-topic, make an effort to eventually loop back.
    3. Don't be dumb. Like posting links to your phono rips of copyrighted work above and beyond fair use. Copyrighted works should be paid for. Whether the record companies are evil or dumb does not matter. The karmic consequences for stealing other people's ideas is that your own ideas will be stolen by others.
    4. Do not discuss politics. This is an audio site. But don't be oversensitive and make everything into politics.
    5. Use common sense. Get a clue (1). There are no hard and fast rules; but on the other hand, moderators of this site can do whatever they wish, however capricious their actions may seem to you.
    6. If you are an MOT, industry insider, blogger, reviewer, or provider of audio related software (free, commercial open source, GPL, etc.), introduce yourself as such to the membership and make this known to the moderators. Otherwise you will inevitably will be digitally tarred and feathered.
    (1) If several members are being asshats to you, and you happen to have the most reported posts; it might be a good idea to perform a realistic self-assessment of your own behavior rather than blame other people. In other words, if you are the nexus of asshatery, although you think are you not the one being an ass, then you are an ass.

    Bonus Guideline: Caring about your "likes" or "trophies" is a ban-able offense.


    NOT ABOUT SCIENCE
    For the 1000th time, this site is not about science. Despite the measurements, don't be fooled into thinking this forum is about the science of sound. A few Redditors seriously need to get over this. There are much better sites and forums dedicated to the science of sound: http://www.hydrogenaud.io, http://ethanwiner.com, http://www.tomshardware.com, etc.


    NOT A MUTUAL ADULATION SOCIETY
    Like any other web forum, or group of like-minded people, we have our favorites. But don't expect this place to be a mutual adulation society where you will get a pat on the back or receive confirmation that you made the right choice for your most recent purchase.

    All new members start off as "Rando" and can progress upwards to Friend status where all membership options become available (loaner program participation, secret meets, etc.). Just be patient. We like to get to know members and the best way to do so is over time. The site works as a meritocracy. Reviews and impressions from Friends and more established members tend to carry more weight.

    Succinct personal impressions detailing aspects of sound, comparing one piece of gear to well-known pieces of gear are most appreciated. HF style reviews with lots of pictures and verbiage cut and pasted from the vendor are extremely frowned upon.



    DICK MODE / MINORITY REPORT POLICY
    Every now and then, we will get into "dick mode" to rid the forum of persons or behaviors that the overall membership finds undesirable.

    Minority Report Policy: Moderators and Admins may choose to ban people before they do something bad, even if there is a minority report among the precogs. Looking back over five years of running a forum, I've come to realize that banning people sooner rather than later would have better served the greater good. As for lack of due process, constitutional rights, individual liberties, I guess my reply to that would be this: Tough titty said the kitty when the milk went dry.
     
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  2. thegunner100

    thegunner100 Hentai Master Chief

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    A useful post from MF that should be read in addition to the guidelines.

    Source and background info
     
  3. Marvey

    Marvey Loves sex and records

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    Updated post. Renamed title.
     
  4. Marvey

    Marvey Loves sex and records

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    Added minority report policy at the end. There should be no more excuses. All this is pretty clear right?
     
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    (I’m copying and editing a reply to a new member who was taking a lot of flak, and seemed quite bamboozled. SBAF is a steep learning curve and people often seem utterly confused with the response, and write the whole place off quickly as a result. I’m making the assumption this post may be deleted, moved, or edited.)

    Hello Wonderful New Members,
    I'd like to share with you some of what I have learned about the general mindset, and at times acerbic temperament, of the people here at SBAF. Hopefully it will explain a little of why things are the way they are, and in doing so help you ease into the community with a lot less friction.

    Firstly, do not assume this forum is like the others you have been to. It may look it, but it really isn’t. This is a community that wishes to further the enjoyment of music listening with as little bullshit as possible, using every tool available to them in that pursuit. An admirable objective given the degree of spurious nonsense the industry attempts to purvey.

    Communicating Opinions
    A crucial difference at SBAF is that the guys here have very different metrics in terms of what constitutes “good”, and whose opinion they will put any faith into. What “most people” think elsewhere doesn’t carry any weight. Critical listening is a tricky and complex thing. Unless you have good gear and have put a lot of thought and practice into it then someone's opinion is generally going to be pretty vague and only focused on the broader characteristics of sound, leaving out some aspects entirely. Without necessarily understanding what is just their preference vs actually good, and their preference may even = bad.

    Professional Reviews
    Given the small size of this industry most reviews from sites that require sponsorship to survive tend not to be reliable, as they have a conflict of interest. Demonstrated if not by outright shilling, then by being super vague in their descriptions, avoiding comparison to better gear or strong recommendations for one product over another, and even comparing a product to others that are not in the same category to avoid those negative comparisons. They cannot exist without their sponsors, and even the best of them will ultimately need to keep the hand that feeds happy.

    Your Favourite Thing

    Trying to "prove" how good a thing you like is will only draw contempt from people here, giving “evidence" by way of “pro” reviews will not go down well either. It’s seen as juvenile and lacking in substance or useful information. If you like something and think others would benefit from using it, then you’ll need to be able to explain for yourself with some pretty specific language why. Preferably comparing it to other products, and ideally something that many people are familiar with. Also, it'll need to go in the relevant thread for that product so it can be found easily.

    Read This Stuff First
    Some helpful links on describing and understanding the characteristics of sound:
    http://superbestaudiofriends.org/in...ology-subjective-terms-used-on-superbaf.3400/
    http://superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/the-audio-101-thread.3214/

    Collected SBAF Resources:
    http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?pages/FeaturedContent/
     
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  6. Marvey

    Marvey Loves sex and records

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    Added your post as quote to the first post.
     
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  7. anetode

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    Lol, Tom's Hardware. Let's at least have the decency for the minor upgrade to Anandtech.

    Science is a set of tools, but hardly the only set where enjoyment of life is concerned. This forum maybe not about science, but a familiarity with science is damn near required to parse a lot of the info herein. Even 'soft' science, like sociology or psychology.
     
  8. landroni

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    Newly registered users should be automatically redirected to this thread immediately after logging-in (or by a similar method).
     
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    Totally agree with you @landroni. This week we had some new threads that were too much what most of us tried to avoid from other forums. But in truth I also did some of the same mistakes when I started here, unfortunately, so this type of thread/guide is really important.
     
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    But it is not about herds of unicorns either.
     
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    As the holder of degrees in both psychology and sociology, I can assure you that neither are science, soft or otherwise.
     
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    Dislike for being a totally uninformed and insane statement. It's totally tangential to this thread, but just to disabuse readers of this insanity: science is the systematic study of the physical and natural world -- which includes people and their structures (internal/mental/psychological/neural as well as external/societal/networks) -- via observation or experimentation and the scientific method. Soft or not soft is often taken to mean fuzzy or not fuzzy or the extent to which you're observing low-level physical phenomena but doesn't determine whether something is science. End of story.

    Carry on...
     
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    Methinks thou doth protest too much. Hilarious.
     
  15. anetode

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    They might've been if only they'd have listened to B.F. Skinner...
     
  16. bengo

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    I think it would be useful to point new members at the Personal Details section and ask them to complete the Gear List box - if asking for recommendations at least. Ok this information can also come in a good first post, but it then becomes harder to find over time (or outdated).
     

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