New Schiit Vali 2 Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Headphone Amplifiers and Combo (DAC/Amp) Units' started by jexby, Dec 11, 2015.

  1. cskippy

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    I'm in the same boat as you. I have Vali 2, tried Mjolnir 2, and am currently using the Valhalla 2 as a preamp to Jot with good results. I'm now looking at either a DNA Stratus or Zana Deux S as a preamp to poweramp for my endgame.
     

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    One last possible recommendation, if your budget permits. As @cskippy mentioned, a few people here have tried using the Valhalla 2 as a pre-amp to the Jotunheim. While this is probably pushing your price limit of sub $600 (unless your used-fu bartering skills are in pawnstar tier condition), using the Valhalla 2 as a pre-amp into any other solid state may be a possible solution for you.

    That, and your channel imbalance may be the result of the tube that you're using, so if you have a spare try swapping out and seeing if that fixes it. If it's tube based interference, then you could maybe get more mileage out of that Vali 2 (either alone or as a pre-amp).
     
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    Add me to this boat as well. It is simultaneously sad and impressive that you basically have spend 10-20x as much to get something that surpasses the Vali 2 in tone and elegance.
     
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    @geomaso44 There is a used Jot amp only on Head-Fi for $350. Pair that with a used Valhalla 2 ~$250 and you have a SUPER versatile combination.
     
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    It also depends on how loud you listen. I had the same issues with pot imbalance because I listen at such low volumes. This was with HD650. TH-X00 wasn't useable even on low gain as it got too loud before the pot inbalance was gone.
     
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    Some suppliers will sell you a "balanced" tube, with matched triodes, too. Possibly worth a shot in situations like that.
     
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    I actually have the SA31SE and Valhalla 2 amps. My orthos and TH900s sounded broken out of the Valhalla 2 at first. The SA31SE was a much better match but, like you, I missed the depth and layering capabilities of tubes. I was going to pull the trigger on a Vali 2, and I still might, but I am now using the SA31SE as a preamp into the Valhalla 2 and I can listen to all my headphones for hours no problem.

    I am seriously considering however that my brain may have just become used to the Valhalla 2 with my orthos because I do believe your brain can adjust to anything over time
     
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    I know I sound like a broken record but try the Valhalla 2 as a preamp into the SA31SE. That way you get tube goodness but the power of the SA31SE for orthos.
     
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    @cskippy and @geomaso44

    Thank you. I will switch the amps round and live with that setup for a while to see how I like it.

    I had originally not used the Valhalla 2 as a pre because I read somewhere that with the Valhalla 2 or the Vali 2, I forget which, as a pre into the Jot that the Jot totally overshadowed and the tube benefits were not felt, but with the Jot as a pre into tubes was the best chain.
     
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    I originally tried Vali 2 as a pre into Jot and noticed the exact same thing as @geomaso44. With Valhalla 2 it's a completely different story. I would use low gain with volume maxed to keep distortion as low as possible.
     
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    Normally how long does it take untill a tube (and the Vali) breakes in and is able to give it's full potential?
    I have my Vali for about three days now!
    It has about 15 hours of playing.
     
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    You should be good. Really the biggest changes are within the first 20 minutes as that's approximately how long it takes for the tubes to reach thermal equilibrium.
     
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    and about tube rolling... what tube would you suggest for the HD600?
    I will still stick for the stock tube for some time but I want to know just in case I jump in one locally
    Thnx
     
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    EH 6CG7 is a great all arounder but I'll let others who've rolled more tubes give other recommendations.
     
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    hm, let's see if I can compose a reply despite an elegant Casamigos Reposado evening.
    no fly time with HD600 cans in a l o n g time, so all of the below is either with HE-400S, HE1Kv1 with Vali2 and GO2A SpecEd:

    1. yes, EH 6CG7 is a good all rounder. our beloved @atomicbob sussed this one out awhile ago? props to The Bob.
    2. usually I prefer an adapter for 5670 tubes, try the Western Electric 396A tube or GE JAN 5670W. military versions preferred - quieter.
    3. Amperex 6922 from Herleen is also nice.

    most of the above can be found for cheap. buy them. try them. decide your preference.
    any typos above? oh well.
    :drunk:
     
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    I liked both the EH 6CG7 and the EH 6922 - they are cheap, safe options for replacement tubes. Compared to the 6CG7, The 6922 seemed to have more low-end presence, a more laid back mid range, and silky highs. The 6CG7 is dynamic and largely transparent, but didn't extend as low as the 6922. Either of these would be a great place to start looking for a sound you like.

    I personally prefer vintage tubes of the Amperex variety. Running a 6DJ8 Orange Globe and it's kept me pretty happy.
     
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    So I think I will start from the 6922GP and the 6CG7 ... compared to the stock tube how do those tubes sound? Similarities or differencies?
    If anyone knows any tube stores from Europe I would appreciate it very much!
    Thnx guys
     
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    I just bought a NOS 6CG7 from this EBay user. He tests all of them, gives as much info and seems to take pride in what he sells.

    http://m.ebay.com/sch/i.html?sid=appreciateyourbusinessxo&_pgn=1&isRefine=true

    I've tried a Heerlen ECC88 and a NOS 6CG7. Both were a pleasant change from the stock tube. Both rounded out the mids and expanded the soundstage. The 6CG7 may have rounded them out a tad more than the 88.
     
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