Trouble caring about the differences between cheap dac-amps

I dunno what do you expect from cheap sub-100 USD amp+dac combos? Just tone down your expectations on them man, they are just that, don't expect anything more.

That said, I would at least looking something with AKM dac chips in it, as I can't stand something SABREy.

 

Let's ignore the OP until he introduces himself

 

"Keep it constructive." That is quite amusing around here, especially given the rarity of that stricture being placed upon anyone responding to posts of mine. Hilarious, actually, since @zonto's post is exactly the opposite of constructive. The elitism you mention is often matched by the double-standard applied to the in-crowd around here vis-a-vis others.

 

I find a couple things hilarious @Senorx12562:

1. You continually, consciously choose to ignore the constructive value both in my original post and others that have followed yours in this thread; and
2. You hypocritically defend a community you haven't contributed enough to with your content or your pocketbook to even be able to access the subforum where more constructive conversations have been occurring about the direction of that very community.

 

@Senorx12562 , I honestly do not know what your history at SBAF has been, so I can't comment on how your posts have been responded to. That said the responses to the OP here have been quite tame. I do think there needs to be an ongoing discussion on how people can contribure to both the "audio" and "friends" aspects of SBAF, which involve different dynamics. My hope is that we can find a way to instruct members in becoming literate and articulate critics of audio equipment as well as providing a place to escape from the daily strain.

 

I just meant it as lighthearted, but I won't post here anymore. Sorry for causing a disturbance.

 

Thicker skin, bruh.

 

I rest my case.

 

Ok

 

We are not saying to not post here anymore, but introduce yourself in the intro thread, and get to know the community and the feel of it before you make a post like this. I wouldn't start and threads until you have a good sense of what the community is like. Right now, you were some rando inserting himself into a group of friends and spouting random things, you need to hang out with the friends more before you start contributing more. See what the friends are like, what their conversations are before you start your own. We want to get to know you before you start your own conversations.

 

Elitism is definitely alive here. Whether it is something the community sees as desirable seems to be mixed. For an example, one can look at the posts for items for sale to "Friends only". I can understand only buying from "Friends" if one thought that to mean less risk, but a seller has the money before he ships, so the only reason for a seller's limitation is, well, "You are not a Friend, so I am not offering this to you." I recall a "for sale to Friends only" ad which stated that if it did not sell, he would take it to Head-Fi. I was willing to buy the item, but it was not offered to my class of individual. It did not sell, and even though I am still registered as a Head-Fi member I chose on principle not to go over there to buy it. So, a non-Friend on SBAF is lower than a Head-Fi'er? The community's take on Head-Fi'ers is pretty well established.

This guy needed some redirection. It is up to each tribe of monkeys to decide whether he gets nudged or pummeled. At one point in my mis-spent youth, I landed in a juvenile detention facility. There was a very definite set of rules that were not posted anywhere. You learned them either by violating them and suffering the consequences, or if you were smarter or more patient, by watching other newcomers discover them. Sometimes it was hard to know that you were on thin ice. As an example, there were high windows in the detainment room. Another detainee asked me to lift him on my shoulders so that he could look out. I did so and he yelled "Drop me, drop me!" which I did immediately. The jailer came in and asked him who was holding him up. He (smiling broadly) points to me. It turned out that it was not against the rules to look out the window, but it was against the rules to hold someone up so that they could look out the window. I took a thrashing. The "Friend" who asked me to lift him up knew very well what I was about to get. They all laughed like hyenas at my outcome. Then, one day, I could do it to someone else. Fair, huh?

 

That's incorrect. It is possible to screw someone over once they have the money using Paypal's buyer protection. It has happened to plenty of people because the buyer is strongly favored by PP in such cases. Now the second point you made about not offering to Randos before going to HF is a different argument. However, I could see that as well. At HF you can see if someone has buyer feedback before deciding to sell to them so that also offers somewhat less of a risk. I don't choose to say "Friends only" in my for sale posts but I can certainly see both sides of the argument.

 

I don't know which for-sale post in particular you're referring to, but what I've generally seen is that "friends only" sales (or "friends first") tend to be offered at lower prices and if they don't sell here, which is a comparatively small group, then when they get offered on Head-Fi it's at a more typical (generally higher) price.

That seems entirely reasonable to me; I'm much more likely to cut a friend a deal on something I'm selling than I am to someone I've never met.

But, again, I don't know if that was the case with that sale or not.

I do know that selling on Head-Fi, and to people that I don't know, even locally, is often WAY more work than to someone I do know. That's worth something right there. And, given the opportunity to do so, I'd always prefer to sell to someone I know first even if it's not to ameliorate the risk of post-sale shenanigans.

 

@beemerphile, there's been many changes in the forum that have made it friendly - threads like the Audio 101, Glossary, and others have given folks the tools to make good contributions and become Friends. Any Elitism is giving way to Elite, from pretense to ability. As far as the for sale thread, why not PM or post on profile if you see something.

 

I just assumed that folks, good folks anyway, say what they mean to say.

On the topic of elitism, I am only suggesting that you might want to check the SWR on your antennae, as elitism never looks like elitism to the elite. Like ground fog, it is invisible from above. For all I know may even be what the community wants, which is also fine.

 

For me, 'elitist' has a connotation of unwarranted snobbery, prep school, 80s era James Spader types. @MuppetFace's neighborhood bar metaphor is more apt now that there are the tools to assist in becoming an educated consumer of audio equipment. And there are many ways to contribute.

 

That said, the knowledge level of some folks here is at elite level - that is bound to be intimidating at first but one gets used to it.