Audeze LCD2C Measurements and Impressions

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  1. gbeast

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    getting these answered my questions of the differences between the AFO and LCD2C as did the previous posts.

    I think these are solid headphones but some things that I know will get at me in the long run. I think I prefer the AFO to these, actually I know I do. I just wish the AFO was as open sounding as this is.
     
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    I agree with this overall assessment from the other LCD2C thread:

     
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    @Hrodulf any plans to support the LCD-2C in an upcoming Sonarworks update? I've used a number of headphones with Sonarworks but the compensated LCD-X was by far my favorite. If not maybe I'll have to finally ship a pair in for a custom calibration... shipping expensive things just gives me the heebie-jeebies.
     
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    I'm sure they'll appear in time. Depends how fast they penetrate the market.
     
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    @Marvey - has a second pair been measured yet ?
     
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    It should be on the way. I am in Morro Bay right now so won't get to it anytime soon anyway.
     
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    Morro Bay? Visit Hop Dogma. It's in El Granada.

    No, seriously.
     
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    Kind of off topic but I LOVE MORRO BAY. There are some decent record stores and seafood places around there if I remember correctly.
     
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    My Classic's came in today. I still need to compare them directly to my Eikon's but early impressions are pretty positive. I do have to laugh at the "special crystal-infused nylon rings" description on Audeze's site. They are cheap plastic with visible mold marks. Build quality is pretty good overall though. I find them to be acceptably comfortable, way more than any previous Audeze I've heard. Comfort slightly better than my Eikon.

    Some quick sound impressions. Chain - Tascam CD-200 -> Modi Multibit -> Lake People RS08 -> LCD2C Balanced.

    Soundstage is meh but that's to be expected with Audeze's. It was claustrophobic at first but after an hour I adjusted and now it's not a problem at all. The stage is a bit too narrow but depth is actually pretty good. Shifting the cups a little forward on my ears opened the stage up a bit. Bass kicks ass. It's deep and punchy with great sub bass extension. If you are looking for a good EDM open back under $1K, these are the ticket. If you are looking for a good headphone for classical, skip these and stick with the 650 if you can't swing for the Clear. The Classic does seem to do a solid job with jazz and classic rock but like the Eikon, really busy tracks can get kinda stuffy, indistinct and slightly dull.

    Overall, the Classic sounds mostly neutral with a smidge of bass emphasis. At times, they can sound a bit too hot and a little rough in the treble but it's not really fatiguing. Maybe it will smooth out a bit as I listen to them more. Still, for the money, this is a really killer headphone with a pleasing tonality that should have quite a few fans.
     
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    How does the soundstage compare to the HD650? Is it narrower than that or about the same?
     
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    Unfortunately, I no longer have a 650 in my stable but I from memory, the Fazor LCD2 was a little more narrow than the 650.
     
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    I'm going on a demo friday next week.
    Will be hearing these, the Clear and maybe the HP-3, if they have them.
    How much faster are they then the HD650?
    What really annoys me (after hearing HEK etc) is how "slow" they seem.

    I used to own LCD-2 rev 2.3 (and LCD-X and LCD-3F), and like all Audezes ive owned they sound kinda closed inn.
    Not like HD650 which are kinda "out of ur head" sound if u will. I guess that might be do the more distant soundstage and the fact that they are planar. But are the LCD2C "better" in this regard?
     
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    Nope. Headstage is still Audeze.

    HD650 might have better attack and leading edge in the upper mids. LCD2C has better delineation and less smeared and blurred over time.
     
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    Is smearing and blurring specific to HD650, or eventual for dynamics (relative to planars)?
     
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    Stream of consciousness impressions of the Audeze LCD-2 Classic (two days of listening so far).

    Quick note for those who aren't familiar with my preferences: I love bass and treble causes me fatigue very easily.

    These are just going to be bullet points as I use the headphones. I'll only edit the bullet points if I answer one of my own questions.
    • Note that I just bought these and picked them up at Audeze HQ because they're less than 20 minutes away. I could technically return them, but would likely only do so if they seem faulty in some way (they do allow 30 days money-back though).
    • I don't get why people are bent out of shape about the introductory holiday pricing. Lots of beloved manufacturers offer earlybird pricing (ZMF, Eddie Current, Cavalli, to name a few). Given, most of them are more boutique than Audeze, but I don't see it as a problem.
    • Build quality is rather good. These don't look ultra sexy like the Focal Clears, but they are very solidly built.
    • Initial comfort level = very high. Like a head cloud. A cumulonimbus cloud. Thank you for the ear room, Audeze!
    • Firing up my headphone test playlist... Is the right driver ringing? WTF? Maybe not. Guajira Antiguan-Flamenco Mystico by Gino D'Auri is the culprit. It's actually ringing on the guitar that I've never noticed so prominently. A quick swap to the Focal Clears and it's still there, but much less pronounced. Some sort of frequency emphasis on the Audeze? Channel swapping yields the ringing on the left driver, so it's not an issue with the right driver.
    • Bass. Quite good for an open headphone. The Focal Clear has similar bass quality, but the LCD-2C wins. I actually don't hate electronic music with them (I usually don't bother with open cans and anything electronic. I always switch to closed/IEMs).
    • There seems to be a bit of a resonant hash somewhere in the treble. Maybe mids too.
    • I need to stop switching between these and the Focal Clears because the latter are so much clearer. They're very different headphones.
    • These definitely have some wool on 'em. A bit of fog. More of a veil than my modded HD650s. A dense head cloud, just like the comfort.
    • I like these for heavier rock and modern pop more than the Clears. The Clears emphasize the junk in many of these recordings. LCD-2C are way more forgiving and can be played louder without burning my ears.
    • These sound to me like what the AudioQuest Nighthawk wanted to sound like (Note: I don't hate those cans like a lot of people do, either).
    • Going back to build quality. These are sort of industrial in their build. I feel like I can safely set them down wherever and even drop them on the floor without freaking out. This is something that has served me well over the years with the HD650s.
    • Why do I love these headphones already? They're veiled. Dark. They're kinda dull. They don't do many things better than the Sennheiser HD650. And I have a demo pair of Focal Clears sitting right here too. The Clears sound better. But I want the LCD-2 Classics on my head anyway.
    • People complaining about how much these weigh must be frail individuals with small heads and minimal brain matter. I know I'll regret typing that tomorrow when I have neck pain. Update: Nope my neck doesn't hurt.
    • I'm not usually inclined to fix a headphone's frequency response with EQ these days, but for some reason I feel like I should keep these and optimize the frequency response.
    • I totally get what "blobby soundstage" means now. On some songs it's like there is a gap between the music in my head. Weird. Update: Day 2, I'm not hearing this as much. Brain adjustment, most likely.
    • Weird crinkle sound when the earpads seal (p.s. these pads seal big time even though the headphones are open). Looks like that's a thing with LCDs. Drivers moving? Shrug.
    • These are better than HD650s for pop. Not my favorite genre, but it does do something better than them. Electronic and hip hop as well.
    • I have less to say about these than the Clears because I keep forgetting I'm typing stream-of-consciousness impressions. That is a good thing. With the Clears, every time I had to adjust the headphone placement or turn the volume down a bit to reduce fatigue, I contemplated another bullet point.
    • They're starting to sound more neutral to me on day 2. Probably because I'm acclimating to them, not because I burned them in overnight.
    • Found another type of music I like with them over HD650s. Classical with harpsichords has never been my jam, but I'm digging Brandenburg Concerto No 5. with the Audezes. I think I also prefer classic rock with these. Tom Petty is relaxing right into my heart with them.
    • When I bought these I thought to myself, "it's safe. You can return the things for a full refund if you need to. No biggie." I don't plan to return them. While not immediately impressive like Focal Clears, they really grew on me.
    • I need to find a longer cable for them. I suppose I should just find aftermarket connectors and make a longer balanced cable. The stock cable is not long enough to listen in my recliner.
    • These have me interested in the LCD-MX4 and LCD-4 (if they ever drop down to a much more reasonable price).
    • I wonder if they're going to do a Reveal profile for these. It's weird that they launched these headphones and the plugin almost simultaneously but don't have a profile for it. The LCD-2 profile does not work for them. It makes them sound distant and a little tinny.
    Why I would buy the Audeze LCD-2 Classics:
    • Legit Audeze LCD planar magnetic headphones for well under four figures? Yes please.
    • I've heard LCD-2s in the past that I coveted and others that I thought were lame. These remind me more of the former than the latter. And at $599! Even at $799 they're a good price.
    • Much better bass quality and extension than my Sennheiser HD650s.
    • They do certain genres better than the HD650s. They're complementary to my main cans while still excelling with my my main amplifier (Cavalli Liquid Crimson).
    • They are very comfortable to wear. These are my favorite earpads (FYI, I haven't used Aeons or newer ZMFs).
    • These synergize with the gear I already have for my Sennheisers. That means I don't have to rethink my chain substantially (a @schiit Gungnir Multibit is almost inevitably in my future though... Thanks, @BillOhio, for the loaner. If only a black one could be procured when the time is right).
    Why I wouldn't buy the Audeze LCD-2 Classics:
    • They are dark and cloudy. I like to think of them as cumulonimbus clouds. Dark, heavy, cloudy, fluffy, warning of impending showers perhaps. I detected a substantial veil on these when I first started using them, especially after using Focal Clears for a few days prior.
    • $600-$800 is still a lot for headphones.
    • People claim that drivers on Audeze cans are prone to failure or mismatch. I might ask @Marvey to measure mine at some point to get an additional point of comparison. Audeze is said to have good customer service, but it's still a crapshoot whether you get something that sounds as good back if you have to replace anything (WARNING: This is also second hand at best).
    Some quick preliminary EQ: 20Hz, Q 0.7, Gain +7.5; 1100Hz, Q 6.2, Gain -2; 5000Hz, Q 8.2, Gain +3; 7500Hz, Q 4, Gain -2
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    Last edited: Dec 30, 2017
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    I hope they come out for a preset for the lcd2c. Somehow when using the reveal plugin, there is a lot less audible hash, so at least that's worth something.
     
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    Ya, I was just going to ask you all about that ... I hear a weird popping noise when you press the pads down for a good seal. I think its pressure popping the diaphragm because of the super tight seal. Could this possibly contribute to frequent driver failure? Very strange and I have heard mention of it with multiple Audeze models.
     
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    Crinkle is probably thin diaphragms or type of material. STAX do same thing.
     
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    Someone told me that was called a Stax fart.

    I would have thought the material used would be different between stats & planars, but I guess it wouldn't have to.
     

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