Yggdrasil A2 Measurements - Deconstructing ASR / Amir's Hack Job

Discussion in 'Source Measurements' started by purr1n, Jun 7, 2018.

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  1. Magnetostatic_Tubephile

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    People always tend to take sides (to identify themselves) and think in stereotypes (to generalize/simplify for themselves). People also tend to defend what they identify with - be it audio product, internet forum, friends or anything else. In practice, this unfortunately leads to a continuous bias, to a specific mindset that is being applied to any new topic in discussion.

    I can hardly see positive posts about Reddit / HeadFi / ASR / HydrogenAudio / ... on SBAF. Guess why? As much as I love being around here, SBAF is just one of the many forums on the internet. SBAF is special since it provides a specific flavour but ultimately is not anymore special than the other forums mentioned. All the forums bring something special that people find valuable and therefore should be treated with respect.

    The DAC measurements discussed in this thread are just a trigger, not the actual cause of such controversial/strong reactions. There is a clear negativity build-up (momentum) towards Amir on SBAF that may possibly already be beyond what is objective and sane.

    I am not perfect either, always being the first to admit that!
     
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    I agree but that's not the whole story. People may not care about the measurements themselves but they will care if they hear something measures badly. So when those incredibly loud people are screaming from the rooftops that all Schiit stuff measures like shit people take that as fact. I know reddit isn't a great place for facts, but if one were to mention say a Modi on the reddit recently it would have been met with multiple people saying don't buy that its measures poorly. It becomes a echochamber because people are drawn to negativity and they pile on. Before Amirs measurements it was one of the most recommended and well regarded pieces of gear on the subreddit.
     
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    It's like whenever Magneto teams up with the X-Men to fight a greater evil.
     
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    Jason Stoddard controls Jude and Marv, and he is using Jude's head-fi account to spread Schiit propaganda.
     
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    Very unfortunately, to my eyes, there seem a pack of people elsewhere infected by Amir virus.

    The below are some mentions I found in CA (in the thread of Uptone)
    I am not sure whether I have to laugh or feel sad.

    Good thing is there are not so many such fools in sbaf.
     
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    Good thing I had that time machine to go back to the past and create a couple of forums and personalities that existed before Schiit.

    Good thing I have the time to continue running these shill accounts on top of having a company with, well, too many damn products. Man, I need to lay off the Ambien.

    (I normally would not reply to this thread, because we can learn something from every measurement and every experience, but sorry, wow, that's really hilarious. And yeah, we're far from a perfect company, and I pull plenty of boneheaded moves myself. I bring that up in nearly every chapter. So when we screw up, let us know. We'll fix it. We'll get better. And then we'll probably screw up again. Because we are, after all, still human.)

    But. Yeah. Learn more, hate less. You'll live longer.
     
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    Wait a min... Is this the past, present, or future Jason saying this? So hard to keep track with all the time traveling. Or maybe this is Jude?

    I give up.
     
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    Just wondering. Is there any chi-fi or topping product whose measurements significantly differ between Amir's and others' (like Yggdrasil A2's measurements)?

    To my understanding, the top three products which Amir loved (measurement-wise) so far are
    • Topping DX7 (also argued D50 performed very similarly)
    • RME ADI-2 DAC (I feel insulted.. Damn!)
    • Exasound E32
    I am suspecting Amir also falsified in measuring some of (or all of) the above products.
     
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    From reddit:
    "Head-fi bans people for criticizing Schiit products and takes advertising money from Schiit. How is he not a shill?

    SBAF is literally bankrolled by Schiit and shouldn't be considered an unbiased party either.


    The sites that don't recieve ad money from schiit are the ones who actually show how poorly made and designed their products are. ASR is nowhere near the first to point these things out either.

    Edit: lol"

    Its stuff like that the just makes me shake my head.

    a bit from the Bryan Colangelo playbook? lol
     
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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Only if can I be Magneto. Jude can shave his head.
     
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    I've had run-ins in the past with that Jimster480 guy on head-fi. He was in every schiit thread claiming their USB implementation didn't work and their products suck etc. @schiit eventually stepped in and shut the dude down hard.



     
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    What is it about Schitt that makes people want to prove that they are trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. I don't understand, they make a good product, they make different products from what most other people are making, they make their stuff in the US, they are very interactive with the community and all of the interactions Ive seen with them have been positive.

    I just don't get it.
     
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    Envy.
     
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    Every Contributor is secretly funneling cryptocurrency to Marv from the underground bunker beneath the Schiiter. It is known.
     
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    It wouldn't surprise me if Amir one day encourages all of his Amirites to lay down, drape sheets over their heads, and drink the Heaven's Gate kool aid. The scary part, with all of the the blind fervor and wilful ignorance these zealots exhibit, I could see it happening.
     
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    Weird thing is this isn't even an objectivist vs subjectivist argument. This is an about an objectivist THAT IS NOT OBJECTIVE!

    Maybe he should do his measurements double blind. Maybe even triple blind.

    Did Schiit hire VW engineers?
     
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    Assuming the all of the sponsorship claims are true (they aren't, or not yet), then how does this money make Jude's AP555, @atomicbob's dScope III, and my AverLAB come to similar results together, all of which are quite different than that of Amir's.

    Let's think objectively about this.

    Money to a person doesn't make instrumentation perform better. Subpar results from instrumentation is always from user error, broken gear, or unseen environmental factors. At worst, money might make us hide a bad measurement of gear that we have affinity towards. But in this case, we are using Amir's measurement types as the standard. We are trying to replicate his results. We have no chance to hide anything.

    Again, let's think objectively about this.
     
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    Conflict of interest per se is not bad, unless anybody tries to HIDE it.

    Amir's NON-REPRODUCIBLE and NON-REPEATABLE result is a very critical evidence to reasonably suspect falsification. This is really, really bad for the spirit of science.

    Foolish ASR dudes prol didn't know this big difference..
     
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