The Coronavirus Thread

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I always like this blend. Normally I go to the cigar shop down the road and get one of the basic inhouse ones for $6. Also, I dunno about the weed stuff. Normally when I want the stuff I can just ask my friend and he hooks me up with the best weed of Florida. However, I got bored of weed and just reading a book while doing a Pipe Tobacco is nice. Or what I was doing at 5 PM was outside doing my Pipe and on my phone.

Who knows man, but it seems snobbish with regards to your comments. There's so much "under the table" stuff that goes in Russia for sure.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. And I was playing SimCity2000 trying to bring out the One-Eye Legs Monster killing my city.

 

Thanks for your expert opinion as the local Arm Chair Quarterback/Doctor/Scientist/Statistician/Analyst/Sorcerer, and last but not least... KING OF THE CRY BABY CLUB!!!

 

There is a reason why I want @Zampotech to post here more often.

 

Low mortality and low susceptibility to coronovirus in Russia may be associated with universal vaccination against a variety of diseases. In our country, on the first and third days after birth, an infant is vaccinated against tuberculosis. In my youth, at school and during my service in the army, we were vaccinated against the most fantastic diseases.

 

I can honestly say I don't know what to think of what's happening elsewhere in the world, but it's always interesting to hear from people not where I am. Sometimes it is good to step outside of that bubble and just hear from real people.

Ideally, we can all just share what we see from where we are, hopefully understanding there are things each of us likely are not seeing, and just have a dialogue. The context is still valuable, even if nobody can claim to know the full truth. That's stuff you won't see on the news.

I mean, that's all this is anyway, right? Just regular people, talkin about stuff. Nothing worth getting too obsessed with.

 

The point is that patient zero has not been found. There are different versions. According to one version - a Chinese citizen, according to another version - two American athletes. The world war games were held in Wuhan in October. According to the third version, the birthplace of the coronavirus is the city of Novosibirsk in Russia. All these are versions, none of them have any proof.

 

There is a cure for radiation. Not very effective, though. This is regular vodka. Increases the permissible safe radiation dose to 1.5 times.

My hair began to grow very quickly after visiting an infected radioactive zone near Chernobyl in may 1986. He should have gone bald.I'm a bit of a mutant

If it is an artificial virus, it must actively mutate to the state of the original virus.

In the US, last year, a large-scale epidemic of the common flu was predicted.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-12-flu-season-early-driven-unexpected.html

 

This has driven me nuts from the beginning. It's like there can be no middle ground. Either it's basically WW3, or nothing but a story invented somewhere. It is as though people here in this country are unwilling to draw a line between completely unreasonable panic and rationally-fueled concern. It has to either be legit "panic-mode" time or any concern is just chicken little. You either have real doom and gloom, or everyone is a sheep. What is the obsession with extremes? There is so much more nuance to it than that, which seems to get overlooked everywhere. Individuals largely seem out to prove only one or the other.

 

3.6 roentgen, not great, not terrible.

 

You have humane standards. The safe norm for a Soviet army soldier was no more than 50 roentgen

It was a soldier's joke.
-Soldier, your actions are at the epicenter of a nuclear explosion.
-I turn into radioactive dust and continue to hit the enemy

 

That consensus is essentially based on the assumption that the number of confirmed cases roughly correspond to the number of infections, and o the models. The University of Miami is just starting the random test study with Miami-Dede residents. Until we get results from random testing we simply have no bloody idea how many people currently have or had the virus. I cannot find the link but I read that in small town in Lombardy they performed random tests in one small town where people were on the lockdown for weeks. Of the 60 people who showed for testing 40 were infected.
And mind you that is still lower the infection rate that the first model from the Imperial College predicted - up to 82% of the population without any measures.
If the infection rate predicted by the models is right, we may no see significant increase in the # of deaths with relaxed social isolation rules because we already may have millions of people with the virus or antibodies.

That what baffles me: if what needs to be done to prevent increased loss of life is 12 months lockdown how it is the economy that is failing us? At the end of it there is no economy and by that I mean eventually no goods or food necessary to sustain us.
So if we have to risk our lives to survive, it means that the "system" is failing us, and we should not do that until "they" fix it?
The idea that we will only can go out and do work when it is 100% safe is suicidal in the circumstances.

 

That would be awesome news. Lets hope. Because not knowing, we're stuck with the cautious route, which sucks for a myriad of reasons.

There's definitely a breaking point where it flips over. A full year would be straight-up crazy. We're not talking black death level stuff though.

The idea has never been to wait till forever, or have to do this every time. The hope is to just slow it down and reduce strain on hospitals, while we work to gather information and resources. Once the smoke clears more, we can better asses and start making moves. And then ultimately start working to prepare better for next time. Have things in place so that we can slow down if needed and get set up with the resources to make treating things easier.

I think after a certain point of waiting and not having things improve or being closer to answers, we would have to start venturing out again. I don't think that's really a question for anyone. There would have to be that point where it's like "This is not working and we are boxing ourselves in for nothing."

It's like... always bear minimum needed to move forward. That's how we live - keep it moving. The way a lot of people's lives are in this world, they don't have the luxury of always thinking about tomorrow. Now tomorrow's here and we're pretty cornered.

It's not a perfect world at all. You're never 100% safe. I just like to think it is possible for us to have a society where we don't have to make that a black/white choice. But the way we chose to build things up both socially and economically is now biting us in the ass and it's like there is no winning. We don't want people to die to keep the world going, but also can't have people stop working to keep it going either. I kind of see it as inevitable. It is now simply a question of what sacrifices we are willing to make. The way we operate left us vulnerable and helpless. I don't have the answer there, but this whole sequence of events suggests that there needs to be a bigger change in direction than just with disease prevention. It's such a big blind spot, people can't even fathom it.

At some point it was all more avoidable. When that point was... well, it could've been a lot further back than recent times. We've been building up a world without things like this. A world that doesn't deal with illness on quite this scale, and an economy that has never stopped for anything. I think at this point it is safe to say both of those things might have to be adjusted going forward.

I will say this, if the government wants to have us shut down for a long, long time, all I can say is they better have some real ideas on how to keep people from completely losing everything. That's a huge loss, too, and potentially more damaging. Most of the worst things in the world start with one of two things, or both: poverty or disease. There are no greater sources of suffering and conflict. We need to be able to minimize both as much as is humanly possible.

I don't know what the alternative is. It's like wait and see how the economy reacts, or wait and see how bad this virus can really be. I think people naturally lean towards the former. It's not out of a lack of concern for the economy, though. Human life in general over quality of life. That's really getting philosophical, though. Delving into what matters in life and makes it worth living.

 

Well f**k.
John Prine just died from this f'ing virus.
Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck.
can't call out the Marines, ballistic missiles or the FB&I.
going to fire up the turntable,a bottle of single malt and a big box of tissues.
f**k!

 

Not sure if this has been posted: http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.html

It seems that covid19 was already simulated before it came into being.

 

Some other countries are now in this hospital resource and peak usage tracker:
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america