Rockna Wavedream DAC: Awesomesauce

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  1. SoupRKnowva

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    You can switch the i2s mode from R to P by hitting the RPT button on the remote during input selection on that input

    Edit: it was added in firmware 4.8
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    PS Audio mode matches the pi2aes
     
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    Linear, wide, dither off and local.
    These are the settings myself and most of the other guys with rockna long term have landed on.

    Stream only sounds better if you have an amazing source Infront. I'm talking like wavenet, pink faun or cd transport with good clocking.
    I would use qobuz/roon over tidal. Better yet local files.
     
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    And PI2AES.
     
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    Does Local/Stream matter for USB input? Should it always be Stream in this case, using the clocks from the USB module (are they even different from the FPGA/Reclocker clocks?)
     
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    Yes, leave on local for USB. As I said only stream for high quality sources and even then local is still competitive.
     
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    The remote does't work on mine at all, none of the buttons do anything. I figured it needed to be activated or something but the manual implies it should work. Did it work for you all straight out of the box?

    the buttons on the front panel are also all difficult to make work. Just pressing them even with firm pressure does nothing. I have to do a quick jab at them to get them to work. Kind of worrisome for a 6.5k DAC...

    So I should set it to "stream" with the Pi2AES? :)
     
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    err, that is not right. mine are very responsive. Are you saying you have a remote and it doesn't work at all?
    Have you tried pressing the DAC button first on the remote then using it?
     
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    With @rhythmdevils it's the same thing every week, he gets a new remote or dildo and he's so excited he forgets to put the batteries in...
     
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    Also, make sure to click on "DAC" on the remote, first. (the remote can control multiple devices, including their Wavedream NET server)

    Edit: missed @Xecuter answer above :p
     
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    It's blinking red when I push stuff! :p

    Ok is is that stupid to assume this is a DAC remote since it came with a DAC? But this makes sense and explains all the goddamn buttons, I should have figured. I didn't realize Rockna made so many products.

    I've got it in HDlink2p mode now, just have to verify that it works.

    EDIT: working! Thank you!

    Thanks for all the help with the settings! I guess if @Michael Kelly says streamer mode is best with the Pi2AES I will set it for that. I've got a noise nuke in front of my Pi2AES too so it's better than most.
     
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    Personally I felt pi2aes still sounded better in local clock than stream. It wasn't until I got Hydra Z for my preference to switch.
     
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    After extensive comparisons between Linear and Hybrid filters I decided to stick with the Hybrid one.

    Linear is more analytic but it feels a bit sterile and unnatural...probably because of the pre-ringing. It gives a nice effect on drums snare and stronger attack.

    Hybrid has a bit of more resonances (less than minimal) that give a feeling of more spacious and ''3D sound''. Also timing feels more correct. Whole presentation is a bit smoother (musical?) compared to linear.

    Obviously the difference is not night and day but it's there and, if you have a revealing system, it's easily spottable.

    You can have a look at this article below and check out the results between linear and minimal. Hybrid is just reducing the post ringing of minimal phase and almost getting rid of pre-ringing:

    http://archimago.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-linear-vs-minimum-phase-upsampling.html
     
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    Or, probably not ;). This "ringing" is (normally - a decent modern digital filter) so low in level, and swamped by the orders of magnitude greater "ringing" (and other distortion) of other aspects of the playback chain (not the least tranducers), that the assertion that it is significant is hypothetical (to choose a word). Many believe its got to have an effect on transient behavior, but there is not direct measurement of this.

    All else being equal, I can hear the out of phase fuckery of the highs of the typical "minimum phase" (that soft, blurring effect). Another explanation of why you like the Hybrid over the others is that you subjectively prefer it's middle of the road (being between linear & "min phase") phase fuckery, not that you are directly hearing any of the digital filters pre or post ringing.
     
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    also, linear digital filters would only ring if given aliased, aka non bandwidth limited signals, the idea of ringing in filters is so overblown by audiophiles its absurd. and then the phase fuckery, which is absolutely introduced by non-linear filters are just ignored.

    I'm not saying you shouldn't listen to the filter you like best, but go in with your eyes open rather than blinded by audiophoolery here.
     
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    They are sold this phoolery by the market. MQA is an example: Bob Stuart claims to have "solved" this allegedly significant digital filter ringing problem, and then the whole ORFAS marketing brain trust forms up behind him because there is reall $money$ to be made by fixing it with new encodings/products. Never mind his cure is far far worse then even the worse case scenario of any real 'pre-ringing'. Oh well, enough of this off topic...
     
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    Obviously I came out to a conclusion after extensively listening those filters in my system ;)
    Otherwise i should have chosen probably NOS if following audiophoolery...

    I can understand that the choice of the filter is also depending on the rest of the chain and if listening Speakers or Headphones.

    On the other hand I could not spot any difference between Dither on/off or Clock Stream/Local.
     
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    Could you tell us what the complete system is to give some context. Agree with soup and crenca.
     
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    Sure, here you go:

    Rockna Wavedream SE Edition > Anticables 6.2 Absolute RCAs > Pass Labs Int-25 > Bastanis Matterhorn Mk2
     
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    How are you feeding wavedream? PC, transport? ddc??
     
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    At the moment Auralic Aries Femto clock with it's own linear PSU > Usb to Rockna.
    I'm planning to switch to an Audiobyte HUB to use I2S connection.
     

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