Sofa King is not a special snowflake

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  1. Sofa King

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    Hey there all 1,400 of you! I usually don't bother with threads like this, but after reading Tyll's thoughts about the old changstar and the move here, I can make an exception :)

    Me: straddling the worlds of counterculture and professionalism, my headphone hobby is one of the few things that sees both sides. My passion for music is definitely fueled from the counterculture, but most aspects defy such clear delineation. Like my desire to find an incontrovertible objective truth to use to understand the world better.

    On a practical level, I'm a DIYer trying to teach myself Electrical Engineering (I flunked out of a college engineering program after a year, but graduated with degrees in Liberal Arts and Psychology), because with better EE understanding I will be able to do better DIY projects! And as a side effect, it will help me cut through "audiophile myths" more easily and definitively. I feel that my dual background happens to be ideal for doing exactly that. I grok the necessity of double-blind experimentation, because I understand the tragic fallibility of human perception, ESPECIALLY auditory perception. I'm good at "translating" what someone says to what they're actually saying, Often they themselves haven't exploed their own psyche as deeply as I can see or guess at from a distance, which makes them inherently "truth-averse," while I'm extremely Ninjalectual in my approach.


    In other words, I'm a militant agnostic: I don't know, and neither do you. Seriously. If you use the phrase "I know what I hear" a lot, as in "I know there isn't a scientific explanation for why $200 cables sound better than lamp cord, but I know what my ears tell me," then you're unlikely to like me much, because sorry, you DON'T actually know what you hear. No one does. It's sad because I don't have anything against anyone, IRL I'm personable and I make friends with everyone I meet.

    Music-wise, I like most genres of music (literally everything besides Celtic, metal/punk, and radio pop. Every other genre has SOME redeeming quality, some music that speaks to me.) Although rock, jazz, blues, and bluegrass all have places in my life, 90% of what I listen to is EDM. I'd listen to nothing but remixes if I could.

    That said, you won't find me using the super bass heavy cans everyone says are great for EDM and hip hop. Those genres sound best with a flat signature, like most music does.

    My most ideal headphone so far is the PSB M4U 1; it never invents bass where there isn't any, but provides a great low end when the recording calls for it. My favorite IEM so far is the Ostry Kc06a, for the same reasons (plus they're small, light, and fit super comfortably). My favorite sources are the Mojo at home, the HiFiMan HM-601 everywhere else.
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    Any questions, feel free to ask!>>
     
  2. zerodeefex

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    As someone who actually has both a CS and EE degree, I can see why you flunked out. If we didn't look for more beyond the current body of work in any field of study, we'd still believe the universe revolved around the earth and that mankind has only been around for a few thousand years.
     
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    A couple of suggestions if you want to fit in here:

    1) Remove the tickets you have on yourself
    2) Go listen to "O.O.B.E." by The Orb and contemplate:
     
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    Right, so do you militate for the necessity of double-blind experimentation when it comes to transducers as well? Perhaps you have the latest DBT results on Apple earbuds vs Elac UB5 vs Stax SR-009... Are we absolutely, 100% objectively sure that there is ANY audible difference between those? Or is it Just Another Audiophile Myth (JAAM)?
     
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    zerodeefex- is this some kind of initiation test for noobs, see how much I can take? I can't think of any other reason for you to be such a jackass. I flunked out because it wasn't the right fit for that time in my life. I did quite well in every class that met later than noon, so yeah, pretty much everything you said is wrong. I spent TOO MUCH time studying "beyond the current body of work in [my] field of study," thus the liberal arts degree. Why would you just assume such random things with no evidence whatsoever? And worse, be a dick about it? Have I insulted you without realizing it?

    Garns- 1.remove the tickets? I'm sorry I don't follow you. What tickets?
    2. People here keep making the most random assumptions about me. I'm quite familiar with Popper's idea there, as well as the Orb. Done been contemplated and incorporated in my personality. What insight exactly do you think I need to gain? Spit it out please

    I suppose I was right in eschewing these sorts of threads. Nothing but dicks and assholes apparently
     
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    landroni- again with people starting off as if we're enemies. What the hell? You could have taken a more charitable interpretation of what I said, you know, like normal people might. Instead, you jump on an implication that I OBVIOUSLY didn't mean.

    I'm starting to think I really am in the wrong place, if nobody bothers to use their heads, instead it seems you're looking for excuses to be assholes, "FRIENDS" MY ASS
     
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    As Trolls, zerodeefex and Garns score pretty highly. They obviously applied themselves into their trolling. landroni, I'm pretty disappointed with your sub-par effort. I think you could do much better if you try applying yourself a little more.
     
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    Here is a genuine post to try and help you.

    When you were signing up, did you bother reading any of the text before you posted? I'm a bit skeptical, as you treat this introduction thread as an optional step in the process.

    As a newcomer, your post reads as very condescending. You act as though you understand what this forum is all about, but that has yet to be seen. It's like walking into a bar where a bunch of friends who know each other are hanging around and acting like you're already a regular. Y'know?

    You act as though you have humility, but in reality you're trying to put everyone on the same level from the get-go, and as a newcomer, that doesn't really fly here. You're the freshman in this situation, and you're gonna have to earn the respect. It's not going to be handed to you.

    You seem like a smart fellow. I'm sure you're a nice person. Slow your roll a bit and gradually absorb the culture of the forum instead of trying to lecture us right off the bat.
     
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    Oh geez now I'm in some kind of feud with Garns apparently, for reasons I don't understand. Garns, I have no idea who you are and I have nothing against you. SO why are you coming at me with such persistent animosity? Is this normal behavior for you?

    f**k this I'm going back to head-fi, where people are kind, mand treat each other with RESPECT!

    Ok that was a joke (mostly). Earlier in this very thread, Friday said "for the most part none of the bashing is personal." So if that's true, should I look at the Troll Trio here as just a few bad apples and ignore them? Slightly concerning that one of the bad apples is staff though
     
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    1. The staff members are the most spiteful of the bunch.
    2. Don't take the dislikes so seriously.
    3. Don't take yourself so seriously.

    4. Look at your intro post. Can you not see why it might be seen as a bit arrogant? It's funny, okay. Relax. Be open minded. We're really not bad people. We're sort of hazing you to see if you're mentally stable enough to roll with the punches.
     
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    OK, don't let the door hit you in the back.

    More seriously though, on HF I've developed a healthy allergy to self-glorified objectivistas, when they barge in and demand proof, SCIENTIFIC, incontrovertible, absolute proof... that I like green over blue. Or one amp over another, if you will. So, yeah, forgive me I'm rather twitchy when discussions start off from such premises.

    As an aside, such conversational tactics are generally rude, and granted you've not really done this, yet, but it was obvious from a mile back that this was coming. This is actually called sealioning, and it's a form of trolling. And combined with scientism, this results in a really, really, incredibly unpleasant interactions. So... if this is your thing... then the Sound Science section on HF will likely be more convenient for you...
     
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    Muppetface-

    Thanks for your input. I am able to simply accept the fact that I somehow came off as condescending, and apologize for it, because I actually meant the exact opposite. In my introductory post, anyway. I posted that with the best of intentions, and I thought that would be clear. I won't apologize for seeming condescending in subsequent posts defending myself from completely unfair (and uncalled for) attacks. Even if I was arrogant and condescending, would that excuse the other members' behavior?

    I don't understand what you mean by saying I'm trying to put everyone on the same level. Can you explain? I'm not connecting the dots on what that is, let alone why it's a bad thing to do.

    Thank you for saying "that has yet to be seen," that's a fair statement and really that chance to find out is all I can ask for. I'm just a bit flabbergasted that I need to work to be given a fair chance like that. You said respect has to be earned, but reading through this very thread, I have to ask, is that really true? I didn't see anyone else have to earn basic human respect, so even though you have more experience here, I simply don't see the truth in your perception. I mean, you're saying that older members get to be bullies toward newbies if the fresh meat doesn't bow down to them, aren't you? I don't believe that's the kind of community youre striving for.

    In my first post, I didn't say anything that others haven't said already before me. I'm far from the first to need some time to pick up on the fact that an introduction is expected here. That's not standard elsewhere, and everyone else was given leeway. Besides, by coming around and rectifying my lack of an intro, doesn't that acknowledge that I'm picking up on the local customs, and working to abide by them? Even MF's message is written as if I'm some rebel who won't ever compromize to be a part of the community. Again, is that characterization wrong? Am I misinterpreting you more than you misinterpreted me?

    I'm just really confused here, because no matter how you look at it, I'm being held to unusual standards, and guess what, if others were given such a negative reception, they wouldn't have come off so great either.

    I'm sorry for anything I did wrong, and I do learn from things. But instead of personal attacks, it's more effective to say "hey, by the way, you.came off as condescending" or whatever. Instead I got "I'm not surprised you flunked." Wait, which one of us was being condescending again?
     
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    Ok that picture helps me see how others read my intro. Thanks Oddity, that was funny.

    Still though, so I'm guilty of coming off as something of a stuck up prick. I can own that, and take note for next time. And if Gams and zerodick feel their behavior was befitting of such upstanding citizens as themselves, then I hope they feel all warm and fuzzy inside for showing ME who the real prick really was! Bravo, sirs! Tonight shall be remembered as a glorious victory for the forces of good over the forces of slightly less good, and shall be recorded so in the annals of history! Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzaha!
     
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    ok
     
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    I was JUST thinking that! Brilliant minds, ehh? Ehh? :) :) :) :)
     
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    Why are you here, exactly? To learn or to teach?
    Do you want e-hugs? Validation?

    SBAF is not an open community like head-fi. There, anyone can make an account and immediately start posting, and their voice is considered "equal" to everyone else's. That "respect" is merely a formality, and while it makes for a seemingly civil discourse on the surface, you can actually get away with quite a lot by simply masking it with emojis. You can also get away with saying a lot of BS by ending every sentence with "IMHO."

    In a community where every voice is immediately accepted, you get a lot of posts but not much quality content. This is what many here call a low signal to noise ratio. With that kind of forum structure, true respect is gained by being the loudest and most frequent voice. Then you're considered an expert because you've said the most. It doesn't matter what you say, only that you say a lot of it.

    SBAF requires all newcomers, regardless of how much they think they might know, to prove they have something worthwhile to contribute if they want to actively post here. The way you do this isn't with a lengthy, pedantic info dump. You don't walk into a new bar and act like you own the place.

    If you bothered to read the information you were asked to read upon signing up, you would have known to post here first. Sure, that in and of itself isn't such a big deal, but it shows you actually bothered to read the stuff we asked. Among that stuff, there's also info about what the forum is all about, the methodology we have here, and what our culture is like (or lack thereof depending on who you ask).

    This is a public forum, but the atmosphere here is very much like a private club. And if you think your treatment here has been harsh after basically standing up on a bar stool and preaching to us as a newcomer, you should see how they'd treat you over at Head-Case. We're like lambs by comparison.

    No, you aren't on the same level as other friends here. We don't know you yet. That doesn't mean we wouldn't like to get to know you. I've actually taken the time to help you out because you give me good vibes. Please go and read the stuff in this section of the forum. You'll realize a few things, like the fact that we like objective measurements but value subjective impressions even more. This is a forum of people who believe the human ear can be a scientific instrument and a reliable source of info, but that it takes experience to train your ears. Also we don't owe you anything as a newcomer. We shouldn't have to hold your hand.

    Does that make us assholes? Maybe. Sure.
    But you're asking to join our club, not the other way round.
     
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    That was a quick banning. Welcome to SBAF, and goodbye too. ;)
     
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    1. You come off as super condescending
    2. You have thin skin
    3. Your signal to noise ratio is 0
    4. You confuse audio objectivism with being objective
    5. You didn't bother to get a lay of the land before posting
    6. You failed at being an engineer
    7. You're not a special snowflake
    You clearly didn't pay us the courtesy of actually looking at the forum before your unsubtle brag about how your background is uniquely suited to understanding audio better than anyone else. If you didn't come off as an egotistical asshole you would have seen a much warmer welcome. Permaban.
     
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