Merv's Politically Incorrect Audio Blog

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  1. Thad E Ginathom

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    That would be because vaccines kill people. I know that, because I read it on the internet yesterday. But not any old internet: it was posted on a forum by someone I know. Someone intelligent, clever at making money, etc etc.

    :oops: :rolleyes:

    Honestly, I think covid itself changes human behaviour in its favour. Which probably means we're all doomed!

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    If the husband has it she likely did too, if so it’d be more ironic if she got the vaccine now that she has natural immunity and doesn’t need it.
     
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    You still need the vaccine even if you have natural immunity. Indications so far are that natural immunity wanes faster than vaccination and that vaccination provides broader coverage of variants than natural immunity.
     
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    I cannot remember who it was that wrote something on here to the effect of "people's freedoms to swing their arms end around a foot before hitting my nose", was probably @dmckean44 or @beemerphile based on my horrible memory, but that's the best way I've ever heard the sentiment expressed.

    Just got my second jab today and feeling a bit blergh as a result, but speaking as someone living in a country where supply is primarily overpriced Sinovac [because yay politics] and the recent memory of dengue vaccine administration gone to hell looms large to this day, the fact remains that many people still with half decent sense are clamouring to get stabbed in the arm; the notion that there are places where supply is readily available yet people persist in their hesitancy on account of an innate inability to try and consider the notion that perhaps medical science isn't all political games and dogshit makes me sick and angry.
     
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    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...vents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shot

    People always say to follow the science until it doesn’t say what they want it to say. Some future variant may prove resistant to current antibodies but in that case current vaccines won’t help you either.
     
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    Ah wasn't aware of a new study, previous non-delta variant studies I had seen suggested the opposite. Your point about future variants may or may not be true. Resistance from previous infection vs resistance from the mRNA vaccines functions differently, so I believe either could be more or less resistant to future mutations depending on what those mutations are.

    It's still clear there are benefits to being vaccinated even with a previous infection, as it still provides an immunity boost based on this.
     
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    That data is a Delta vs. Pfizer. In any case it flows upstream to other preliminary studies, such as they are. Anecdotally, our local hospitals have had a number of significant cases (ventilator and/or death) whose family members tell us that patient X did not get the vacine because they already had Covid a year ago, or 3 months ago, or whatever. Sometimes they even had a positive test. The number of patients who have been vaccinated yet hospitalized (I don't believe a ventilator has been involved yet - yet alone death) is much lower.

    The anti-vaxxer/anti-masker libertarian right however wants to believe it's all One Big Conspiracy...
     
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    Pretty similar to data coming out of Israel. Here's a good explanation on why the fact that 60% of hospitalized in Israel are vaccinated is *not* an anti-vaccine argument:

    https://www.covid-datascience.com/p...strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated
     
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    Life moves on, viruses move on. If the virus has remained sufficiently dangerous to worry about, vaccines will have to evolve too. No point in taking the 2021 vaccine for 2025 corona.

    My guess (uneducated, unqualified) is an annual jab, in which the researchers try to keep ahead like they now do with flu.

    And I'll be in line to take them.
     
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    Interesting read thanks for posting it. One possible confounder he did not mention is that reported Israeli vaccination rates may be significantly too high. Israeli society has a strong anti-goverment element, as I understand it based on orthodox Judaism and not Saint John Locke as it is here in America (for both left and right). The Germans sent a couple of dozen home recently who flew to Germany with forged vaccination records - the market for which is described as "robust" in Israel. Like I said a possible confounder as I have no way to judge how significant the fake vaccinated population in Israel really is.
     
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    This is what most of the people I know have expected since the beginning. I get a flu shot every year, so getting one for COVID as well would be no big deal. From what I have read, the mRNA vaccines can quickly be updated to target new variants without requiring the same huge clinical trials they needed initially, much like flu vaccines which undergo a much faster approval process even as they change each year. While Biontech and Moderna have not seen the need to do so yet, they both say that it would only take about six weeks to update the proteins they target while all the other elements of the vaccine would stay the same.

    https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/01/13/1016098/moderna-variant-coronavirus-vaccine-update/
     
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    Let me just put it this way. I would rather take a vaccine (even yearly) than get covid. This isn't childhood chicken pox we're talking about. I've had friends (under 30) get covid and they were fairly sick out of commission far longer than the maybe 48 hours I felt a little uncomfortable post-vaccine.

    This feels like a 1 marshmallow 2 marshmallow situation.
     
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    My response to covid antivaxxers will henceforth be a simple one: calling them out as child-killers.
     
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    Whilst later seemed (anecdotal impression of anecdotes) to affect younger people more seriously, I'd suggest that you call them out as grandparent killers.
     
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    My response to anyone calling someone a child killer or a grandparent killer is to request they stop virtue signaling.
     
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    How about spreadneck?
     
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    That’s at least somewhat humorous.

    Recent data on recent variants show that viral load is substantially similar among both fully vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. So despite the many claims from the CDC and others that once you vax up life can go back to normal and we can blame all the covids on the unvaccinated, they’ve had to reverse course because transmission has gone up including among the fully vaccinated. This is all within the last month or two of course.

    source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm (actual report linked therein)
     
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    The difference is, of course, that fully vaccinated people are far less likely to end up as a burden on the health system and themselves. Fewer lost work hours, less dollar value.

    Frankly I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that fiscal conservatives aren't pushing stronger for vaccination purely for the economic benefits.
     
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    LOL, though as someone from small town Oklahoma I resent it :p

    I think Arlo Guthrie wrote a song about these father rapers! :piratemug:
     

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