Putin's War With Ukraine (and democracy, freedom, self-determination, etc.)

Spotted in another forum. Not sure if its all true. Any thoughts folks?


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The lying MSM would have you believe that Ukraine is a war zone with intense battles taking place between Russians and the Ukrainian army. But.

1. The Ukrainian army was decisively defeated within the first 48 hours of Russia's operation. It is no longer functional. Most soldiers have deserted. Ukraine has been effectively demilitarized. That's why Zelensky is calling for foreign fighters. That's also why he's getting civilians to take up arms and fight. Why would he do it if he still had a proper army?
   
   
2. All that's left are rag tag groups of soldiers still loyal to Zelensky and whatever's left of Azov battalion. They're trying to wage a guerilla war like Saddam's army remnants but without much success. They're simply losing men and being chased around from one area to the next
   
   
3. Apart from a few skirmishes there's actually very little fighting going on. Think I'm bullshitting? Remember the wars of recent times, in Afghanistan, Iraq etc? The media constantly showed us videos of gun fights where you hear machine gun fire between the 2 competing forces. But no such videos exist of the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Why?? If the Ukrainians are fighting Russians in the streets and killing thousands of them, where are the videos of it?
   
   
4. Most of the videos of smashed tanks are faked for pro-Ukraine propaganda. Either they're old videos fron 2014. Or they're manipulated. The Ukrainians pick a video with a tank and digitally add a Z on it. Or they paint a Z on one of their own wrecked tanks. While it's true that Russian hardware have been destroyed, the numbers are nowhere as high as what's being claimed by the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians did the most damage to Russian hardware during the early days of the conflict.
   
   
5. While some Russians have been captured by Ukrainians, the vast majority of captured soldiers shown by pro-Ukraine media are fakes. They're Ukrainians in uniforms similar to that which Russians wear.
   
   
6. All that's happening is that the Russians are blowing up the Ukrainian military buildings one by one as part of their demilitarization plan. Once in a while they'll fight off a small pocket of Ukrainian fighters. But there is no actual "war" as the MSM wants you to think.
   
   
7. NATO isn't helping Ukraine because there's no Ukrainian army left for them to reinforce or support. It's over. So that's why they are just sanctioning Russia. They lost Ukraine and they know it.
   
   
8. If you still doubt it, then think of the huge 3 mile long convoy of Russian vehicles near Kiev. It's been 4 days and it's still there. It hasn't been touched by the Ukrainian army because the Ukrainian army no longer exists.
   

 

@murphythecat I just don't have the energy right now to breakdown all the issues with what you've posted. But here are a few sources I've been following with updates on the situation today and last night, which might be a bit more reputable than a random forum user.

Liveblog at the The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...mbing-with-lack-of-no-fly-zone-says-zelenskiy

Vlog by British Journalist in Ukraine
https://twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1500022349822836738

Thread by just retired Australian General
https://twitter.com/WarintheFuture/status/1499891108309987328

Thread by Geopolitical and Security Analyst
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1499963847779758094

Thread by Eastern Europe Expert
https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1499822066098655234

The bottom three, especially the last one, I've only been following recently so I'm less aware of their track record. Though they were linked to by people I am.

 

So half true. So fair to say the propaganda machine from the West are basically lying constantly? Why? Whats the agenda?

 

Sitting at the Eastern Euro Cafe while my car is having general maintenance done.

The Bosnian owner of the café show me this on his phone:



All the Bosnians and Eastern Europeans at the café are laughing their ass off.

 

@murphythecat Deflection and distraction from our own domestic matters. Cough cough away from Covid, inflation, other electoral matters.

 

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1499763642170019846
Video attached but not in English. Not necessarily definitive, but another data point at least to try and glean the full and true picture
"Russian Senator Lyudmila Narusova acknowledged huge losses of the #Russian army

"Yesterday the conscripts, who were forced to sign a contract or signed for them, were withdrawn from the war zone in #Ukraine. But from a company of a hundred men only four were left alive.""

 

Doesn't look like one to me, but it is out of sync, and could still be fake for all I know. Of course I can't understand her either.

There's so much so fast I can't background and fact check the way I would usually want to. Alot of the information I'm following originates from Peter Jukes and Carol Cadwallader. They have contributed significantly in investigating global disinformation, Russia, Brexit, Facebook etc. Breaking that news months or even years ahead of mainstream media, and have a proven track record.

 

Invocation of the 5th article doesn't automatically mean every NATO member country must send troops to face the aggressor. The member countries can help in other ways too, like by sending equipment or even just humanitarian aid. But I understand what you are saying - NATO's real problem is the majority of the military power being centered in the North America. That needs to change.

This is true. But I want to clarify one thing: % share of gas supply from Russia != % share of gas in energy production. For example, Finland may import 94% of its gas from Russia, but only 3-6% of the country's total energy consumption is satisfied by gas power plants.

 

Why is this hypocrisy? It probably is from your point of view, sitting safely in Austria with American soldiers/tanks/nukes protecting you while you judge the world from your uber neo-liberal post-Nazi hypocrisy. That might sound harsh but its the truth. f**k you western Europe for thinking you have the inside track as to who and who is not acting in good faith when it comes to democracy, freedom, and self determination.

For the last 500 years Crimea has been much more Russian than Ukrainian - ethnically, governmentally, culturally - in every way that matters. It was the machinations of Soviet politics that had Crimea part of the Ukraine for the what is a blink of an eye historically.

Don't get me wrong, I hope and pray Ukrainian "wins", that is a Ukrainian state independent of Russian control comes out of all this. That said, the ethnic/cultural divide in what are the modern borders of Ukrainian state is very real and just about impossible for ignorant American and western Europeans to even understand.

 

If you apply this logic all over the world you'd redraw a lot of borders. There's no way the referendum held in Crimea after the Russian occupation was legit.

What I do understand is President Zelensky has an approval rating of over 90%. And he is all for independent Ukraine.

 

Come on, this is unnecessary.

 

A good source of info that I have been following is the open-source intelligence group Bellingcat, who did excellent journalism in the wake of the shooting down of MH17 over Ukraine in 2014

https://www.bellingcat.com/

As always YMMV

 

Well, from my pov it's definitely *hypocrisy*. At first, she supports armed separatists who fight a Russian-backed covert war, aiming to divide the Donbas region from Ukraine. And now, as shit hits the fan for her, she tries to sell herself as an apolitical artist, opposed to war, proclaiming that her only purpose is to unite people across political divides.

Of course, you have every right to draw your own conclusion from this, but I'd prefer you do so without calling me a "neo-liberal post-Nazi hypocrite". Again, I'm nevertheless opposed to cancel culture, i.e. against banning Anna Netrebko from the Met and other venues. So let's just agree to disagree on her personal attitude and keep our discourse civil please.