System Synergy - Special Sound

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  1. Garns

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    It certainly does something with Modi Multibit->Jotunheim->BAL. I have a 3-pin phase reversal cable on the way and will then report back with what happens with fully balanced Yggdrasil->Freya->powered monitors chain. As @cskippy says it seems likely to be very topology dependent. Which seems like part of the fun, that you don't know what you are going to get until you try it out.

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    @cskippy

    I actually notice more of an improvement when using DSP such as TB Izone or other DSP effects, although it's still noticeable with certain stereo tracks, not all.

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    Garns said:
    "It certainly does something with Modi Multibit->Jotunheim->BAL. I have a 3-pin phase reversal cable on the way and will then report back with what happens with fully balanced Yggdrasil->Freya->powered monitors chain. As @cskippy says it seems likely to be very topology dependent. Which seems like part of the fun, that you don't know what you are going to get until you try it out."

    Will report on ModiMB-Vali2-HD650, Lynx-Yggdrasil-Mjolnir2-HD800 . Fun times, I thought IVS without PRT was close to the end of the road for me. Will be interesting to hear.

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    johnjen

    The PRT has the most effect using tubes that 'share' the left and right channels in the same tube (dual triodes and pentodes).
    It can also have a positive effect on stereo power amps, especially high power amps used on speakers.
    But even on 800's with 3-600Ω amounts of power, (1-200mW max peak power) it does have a noticeable effect.

    In fact every system that I know of, that this has been applied to, has been improved by this tweak.
    And granted the degree of improvement varies as you might expect, but it's such a simple and relatively easy tweak to implement, and also to reverse back to 'normal', along with it having near zero downside, other than the small cost of the connectors.

    And on speaker systems there is, or shouldn't be any connector cost, at all.

    JJ
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    @cskippy

    I've done this trick with my Philharmonic AAMs reversing the right channel in software and then flipping the banana plugs on the right speaker. It's a pretty noticeable difference. Definitely more bass and oomph.

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    frenchbat

    Ok this I could try. Much easier to me.

    Have to look at jriver settings for a polarity reversal on a single channel.

    cskippy said:
    "I've done this trick with my Philharmonic AAMs reversing the right channel in software and then flipping the banana plugs on the right speaker. It's a pretty noticeable difference. Definitely more bass and oomph."

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    MattRG

    I'm guessing that this wouldn't be an option for streaming services such as Tidal because there's no way to implement the software switch, correct? Otherwise, it all sounds pretty nifty.

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    MattRG said:
    "I'm guessing that this wouldn't be an option for streaming services such as Tidal because there's no way to implement the software switch, correct? Otherwise, it all sounds pretty nifty."

    You can, by using the wdm driver and feed the Tidal stream through the JRiver engine. Buggy as hell and causes bsod when least expected [​IMG]

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    I don't know about other OSes, but on macs it should work when using e.g. Audirvana to stream from Tidal. Also, you should be able to send the normal Tidal app output through AudioHijack which can host plugins. Likewise with the combination of Pedalboard or AU Lab and Soundflower, but I've never found those to be stable or to sound very good. I guess Jack should work everywhere, but I haven't tried it in a long time after not getting along with it on linux quite a while ago.

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    MattRG

    Armaegis said:
    "Or just go for monoblock amps and not worry about power supply sag in the first place "

    Time to get ready to order two Schiit Vidar's running in monoblock mode as my next solid state headphone amp! [​IMG]

    *I mean theoretically it should work, right?*

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    MattRG said:
    "Time to get ready to order two Schiit Vidar's running in monoblock mode as my next solid state headphone amp! [​IMG]

    *I mean theoretically it should work, right?*"


    Real HiFi is having your headphones on your desk but still being able to rattle your teeth. Actually having to wear your headphones is sooo 2016.

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    frenchbat

    Anyone had troubles running waves NX in jriver?

    Despite changeling gracious help, I can't seem to get it to work. Headtracker starts and then jriver crashes.

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    MattRG said:
    "Time to get ready to order two Schiit Vidar's running in monoblock mode as my next solid state headphone amp! [​IMG]
    *I mean theoretically it should work, right?*"


    Is Vidar even happening still?

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    Sorry @frenchbat I had hoped to be able to help you [​IMG]
    NX was acting up for me as well and took a couple of reinstalls and reboots before getting it right. Now that you at least have gotten it to load, try reinstalling DDMF Metaplugin and see if that helps... reboot in between...

    Waves NX is on sale $39 ($99) by the way.

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    TheIceman93

    Any ideas on how to do the phase reversal trick on a CD player or other coax digital source? I was looking at the mini DSP digi box but based on reviews on some negative feedback from members here, it sounds like these boxes have a negative impact on sound quality.

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    You would need to run coax into a balanced DAC like Gungnir Multibit or Yggdrasil and then on the right XLR output switch pins 2(+) and 3(-) when running balanced interconnects to a balanced amp. Then use the 4pin XLR phase reversal cable with balanced headphones.

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    Don't think there's a way to easily invert 1 channel digitally in coax - just simply not a feature in demand.

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