Roon Discussion

Discussion in 'Computer Audiophile: Software, Configs, Tools' started by AllanMarcus, Jul 3, 2016.

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  1. mkozlows

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    I don't think there was much factual disagreement, it's just about how comfortable people are with risk. Opening up a port means that anyone on the internet can connect; the thing serving behind that port needs to be secure or attackers can get through; if they get through, they're then limited by your system and network security in how much impact they can have. Nobody disagrees with any of that, I don't think.

    It's just then a judgment call of how likely you think attackers are to target Roon, how vulnerable you think Roon would be to those attacks, and how much confidence you have in your own system and network security in the worst case. (My personal answers are "not very, but you never know"; "probably fine-ish, but it kinda depends on how motivated the attacker is"; "lol not much." So I end up feeling vaguely uncomfortable about it, but not uncomfortable enough to try to block the port. If they made it easy to turn the functionality off, though, I would.)
     
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    I use Roon on two different locations with different routers. One of them makes it very easy to turn off and back on port forwarding; the other, not so much, I'd need to switch between configs with a rather inconvenient procedure. I agree that it would be way nicer if I could just go to Roon settings and turn on-off listening on the ARC port. I suspect the reason Roon Labs did not do that is that they believe the current port-forwarding hack is temporary and will go away when good QUIC libraries become available for all platforms Roon is on.
     
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    Who is "they"?

    If you mean Roon, you can change the port in the Roon ARC configuration to "0" and the Roon software will not listen on any port. There is no critical need to turn off the port forwarding in the router at that point because it is forwarding to a port on a system that is no longer listening on that port.
     
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    someone has already hacked roon? or this refers to something else?
     
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    No. @earnmyturns is suggesting that Roon's port forwarding method is a hack...not that this has been hacked.
     
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    Personally, I think that while the risk isn’t non-existent, it’s rather low.

    The main reason is that Roon isn’t a valuable target for attackers. It isn’t running in corporate networks attackers might want to spy on. It is a niche product with a low number of installations, i. e. trying to find exploits doesn’t yield a large number of computers that can be attacked. And for attackers who simply want to use private computers to send spam, there are much easier targets.

    So, I doubt professional attackers will ever try to target Roon specifically. A much more likely problem might be Roon using certain libraries for their networking, which in turn have security issues that might be automatically targetable.

    But still, my personal opinion is: Yes, there is a risk, but I don’t really think it is very high.
     
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    Thanks all. I have enough info now to understand the risks. I also found a large number of ports open on my laptop. I closed all but the most common ones. Guess I’ll see what breaks.
     
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    Seeing the latest price increase email from Roon, I'm thinking of biting the bullet and getting the lifetime subscription at $699 before it jumps up to $829. Are other folks jumping to other services or sticking with Roon?

    I held off on getting the lifetime subscription a few years ago because I figured there would be some competition & something else might come along-- but nothing else really has?
     
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    Hmmmm I didn't get an email. I'll have to research how much it increased. I pay monthly and absolutely love Roon.

    Edit: looks to be a 2 dollar increase per month. 12.99 to 14.99. Reminds me of Amazon's increase recently. Fuuuuuu....
     
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    Went from monthly to yearly, because my next month starts in December and I’m still getting the old yearly price this way.
     
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    Anyone happen to know if the $2 for 3 months Black Friday / Cyber Monday deal is eligible for the first renewal at 2022 pricing? The fine print is somewhat confusing.

    I'm tempted to get in on the $699 lifetime pricing, but would appreciate the additional 2.5 months to decide.
     
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    Highly doubt it. Sounds like a do it now for new customers deal or nothing.
     
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    What the actual f**k is going on with the reviews on Roon?

    I'm all for variety of opinion, but was listening to John Williams' score for E.T. (a score he won an Oscar for and is arguably considered his best work, or at the very least in the top 5), and the review on Roon literally said it was "nothing special". We're talking about what many consider one of the greatest film scores of all time. I can understand not digging the music, but lumping it in with most of the generic Hollywood scores seems completely dishonest.

    I'd rather see facts about the production of the music for greater insight into the work, rather than some idiotic take by a poser reviewer... why does Roon feel the need to post these hot take reviews? It would be like your netflix app posting a review, when there are a variety of takes out there... why represent the work with only one (often inaccurate) opinion? I've actually seen quite of a few of these weird takes and it's really making me slowly hate Roon.

    What am I missing?
     
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    I think they pull them from AllMusic? Certainly a hit and miss site itself. But a useful reference sometimes. Many requests in Roon Community to disable reviews. Or several requests anyway.
     
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    You can turn off Editorial Sources in Settings | General. Probably the new Tivo album review source. You can also drag to change the order of the sources.
     
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    It's just the gross penetration of social media into everything, everywhere you turn I think. The last thing I'd want to see while listening to music is some unknown random review posted by someone somewhere.
     
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    Hey guys Roon has always had Allmusic reviews which are done by professionals. I may not always agree with the reviews but they are great to read while listening and are a big value add for me. The reviews are usually pretty accurate. Allmusic was owned by Rovi which was bought out by TiVo.
     
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    Yeah, I personally don't mind them and typically find them a useful resource.

    What I really dislike is an app or service feeding me a bunch of music recs I'm totally not interested in. I don't know if Tidal is still this way--I quit a year ago--but I really came to resent it serving up a bunch of top 40 and latest-release hip-hop on my home screen. I like a lot of hip-hop, in fact, but I really don't like feeling advertised to when I'm just trying to find "my" music.
     
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