Comments on Profile Post by Skyline

  1. cskippy
    cskippy
    Teachers should have a gun club for themselves. Get discounts on ammo and range time and have the knowledge and skill to defend themselves and their students.
    Feb 19, 2018
  2. Mystic
    Mystic
    I don't think flooding schools with guns is the answer...
    Feb 19, 2018
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  3. cskippy
    cskippy
    My answer was too short. Proper gun knowledge and use would mean NO BODY would know teachers had guns except the teachers/faculty. Proper use is to not show your gun unless you are defending yourself. If you pull it out, you intend to use it. That simple. But having innocent children and unarmed faculty is just sad, like cows being led to slaughter.
    Feb 19, 2018
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  4. Skyline
    Skyline
    It was a rough morning. A lot of teachers crying. A lot of teachers angry and ready to storm the castle. A lot of teachers nervous to come to work in the morning. And, in the face of it, we will continue to project calm to the young minds and souls that shouldn't have to deal with these things at such an age.
    Feb 19, 2018
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  5. Mystic
    Mystic
    @cskippy
    That relies on every teacher being perfectly responsible without any room for human error. That is literally impossible and we will just start seeing more accidental shootings in schools. I'd also give it 2 weeks before a teacher snaps and kills a student or a student gets ahold of a teacher's gun.

    I don't think people realize the kind of stress teachers go through in their profession.
    Feb 19, 2018
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  6. Mystic
    Mystic
    There are answers we can look into, but we won't because Merica.
    Feb 19, 2018
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  7. Skyline
    Skyline
    Mystic, our youth give us reason(s) to be hopeful. They're taking charge and leading the way. Watch the Florida students at rallies and protests. It won't happen overnight, but I feel sorry (not really) for the fools who try to stand in their way.
    Feb 19, 2018
  8. Mystic
    Mystic
    @Skyline
    I hope your right. It is pretty inspiring listening to some of these students from Parkland HS speak out.
    Feb 19, 2018
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  9. Ringingears
    Ringingears
    I hate those trainings. One, because they are emotionally exhausting. Two, because it makes me angry we have to have them at all.
    Feb 19, 2018
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  10. Azimuth
    Azimuth
    I am sorry you had to go through that. No one should have to listen to those calls that should not have to, and teachers should not have to.
    Feb 19, 2018
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  11. jowls
    jowls
    We had our last mass shooting in 1996. Semi auto weapons were banned, followed by an amnesty period and buyback. No mass shootings since. I know situations are different in different countries, but it can happen overnight.
    Feb 19, 2018
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  12. JK47
    JK47
    If even the notion that a Teacher is possibly armed stops one more school shooting, I'm all for it. It shouldn't be mandatory, but voluntary. If the Football coach was armed, there may have been fewer casualties. He was obviously a shepherd, not a sheep.
    Feb 19, 2018
  13. JK47
    JK47
    I also don't agree with the comment

    "I'd also give it 2 weeks before a teacher snaps and kills a student or a student gets ahold of a teacher's gun."

    That's bullshit.
    Feb 19, 2018
  14. Mystic
    Mystic
    Having a gun in the home increases your risk of suicide and homicide. What do you think having dozens of armed teachers in the schools are going to do. Students WILL get ahold of these guns from time to time. Teachers WILL unintentionally slip when it comes to properly storing their gun.

    The solution is not to turn our schools into the wild west.

    The idea that more guns is safer has been debunked time and again.
    Feb 19, 2018
  15. Mystic
    Mystic
    There is no evidence to support arming teachers would decrease the amount of mass shootings. Gun ownership is at an all time high and yet mass shootings are significantly on the rise.

    There is evidence to support alternative methods, but America won't talk about that until it decides it's children are more important than their deadly toys.
    Feb 19, 2018
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  16. landroni
    Feb 19, 2018
  17. JustAnotherRando
    JustAnotherRando
    Sidestepping the whole politicised "how to fix the problem" arguments, it's deeply disturbing that teachers have to go through this kind of training in the first place. I am sure this is not what they signed up for when they entered their careers.

    The rest of the world looks at this kind of thing and is completely and utterly baffled.
    Feb 19, 2018
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  18. Ringingears
    Ringingears
    Not something I ancipated I’d have to do. Reminds me we have lockdown drill in a few weeks. Fact of life, once a quarter. Had a real one two years ago. Some folks shooting at each other running down street in front of the school. We didn’t know what was going on so we armed ourselves with ring stand poles. Now that was an interesting hour, sitting in the dark trying to look calm in front of the kids.
    Feb 19, 2018
  19. JustAnotherRando
    JustAnotherRando
    This does make me wonder whether this has longer term effects on kids- does it increase stress, decrease trust in society, that kind of thing.
    Feb 19, 2018
  20. Ringingears
    Ringingears
    I can tell you my students definitely are affected by Wednesday’s mass murder. The latest one. But not likely the last. It’s in the back of the staff’s mind every day.
    Feb 19, 2018
  21. Skyline
    Skyline
    Long term effect? Absolutely. But, rather than make them timid or scared, my students are pissed. I meant what I said earlier. Change is coming (assuming Trump doesn't get us nuked first). Oh, wait? Did I get political? My bad.
    Feb 19, 2018
  22. JK47
    JK47
    @Mystic You jumped to the conclusion that I was talking about giving teacher's a firearm. That is part of the problem right there, lack of comprehension and assumptions.

    I only stated that they should be armed...
    Feb 19, 2018
  23. sphinxvc
    sphinxvc
    I think people can afford to "look calm" less in front of kids. They are smart and have a right to know what bothers adults so they know how to change their environment. I'm also incredulous at how impressionable some people can be, convinced that arming more people with guns will deter gun violence.
    Feb 19, 2018
  24. JustAnotherRando
    JustAnotherRando
    I suspect that "look calm" is another way of saying "not running around screaming in panic."
    Feb 19, 2018
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  25. MrTurtle
    MrTurtle
    Methinks the comment about lack of comprehesion is a bit of a cheap shot, @JK47. In the context of this discussion, it was fair to read into your comment as arming teachers with firearms.

    And as a teacher, I can say it is not bullshit to think that this profession has its fair share of people who cannot be entrusted with a weapon to protect others. We're just human, and some of us will err.
    Feb 20, 2018
  26. JK47
    JK47
    Cheap shot? Get a grip.

    "I'd also give it 2 weeks before a teacher snaps and kills a student or a student gets ahold of a teacher's gun."

    The above comment is ridiculous and juvenile.
    Feb 20, 2018
  27. Skyline
    Skyline
    Hey MrTurtle! Didn't know we had another teacher here. Welcome.
    Feb 20, 2018
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  28. MrTurtle
    MrTurtle
    @JK47, was hoping you would respond in a way which actually addresses arguments instead of the arguers. But if you really do think it adds to the value of the discussion to act like this, then hey, you do you
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    @Skyline, thanks brother! The job is a tough one, but the sense of purpose is second to none.
    Feb 20, 2018
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  29. Mystic
    Mystic
    @JK47
    Nothing ridiculous about my statement. It is a reasonably assured outcome unfortunately based on empirical evidence.
    Feb 20, 2018
  30. loki993
    loki993
    So @Mystic why aren't there teachers slapping kids all the time then? If they are so stressed out that in 2 weeks they would be willing to murder a kid how are they not so stressed that they would hit one. You're saying you put a gun in someone's hand and all of a sudden they go from being able to control their emotions to someone that cannot and would resort to murder? That's a pretty huge leap of faith.
    Feb 20, 2018
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  31. JK47
    JK47
    Putting a 2 week time limit on the tail end of your statement IS ridiculous.
    Feb 20, 2018
  32. Mystic
    Mystic
    That's not what I said at all. As for your analogy, some teachers do hit their students. More often then you would think, though that's not going to make the evening news. Some do even worse than that. Teachers are some of the best people mankind has to offer, but they are still only human which mean not everyone is infallible.
    Feb 20, 2018
  33. Mystic
    Mystic
    @JK47
    At the rate mass shootings are committed in the US, I was probably too generous.
    Feb 20, 2018
  34. JK47
    JK47
    LOL, hide the women and children !!! A meteorite is headed towards Earth, and life as we know it will cease to exist next Thursday at 03:00
    Feb 20, 2018
  35. loki993
    loki993
    Im not trying to say we should give all teachers guns, thats not the answer. That said if one wishes to carry I am not against that either. So maybe we think about an enhanced CCW for them, if they want to carry they have to go through more training than the average CCW holder since they want to carry in a school and they have to have continued training to keep the license. How about something like that?
    Feb 20, 2018
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  36. loki993
    loki993
    Also I think we need to seriously consider having police in schools during school hours or at the very least armed security, though I would prefer police. I mean we do it with our money...but not our kids?
    Feb 20, 2018
  37. loki993
    loki993
    Political commentary aside, because we did get sidetracked, yes it's a terrible thing that this is something we have to deal with.
    Feb 20, 2018
  38. Mystic
    Mystic
    @JK47 Now who is being juvenile?

    @loki993 There are solutions that have proven effective, but we won't try them because a good portion of Americans think they're special in comparison to the rest of the developed world.
    Feb 20, 2018
  39. Skyline
    Skyline
    Love the discussion.

    I'll say you have three educators in this thread. All three say that teachers carrying guns is a very bad idea.

    Might want to listen to them.

    And yes, as Mystic said. There's data on this. It isn't a new problem we're trying to solve. We may want to look at that and...you know...listen.

    It's a lost art, listening...
    Feb 20, 2018
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  40. JK47
    JK47
    You assume there are only 3 educators...
    Feb 20, 2018
  41. Azimuth
    Azimuth
    I have a teaching certificate although I don't teach, I did complete the training. And teachers carrying guns is not only a bad idea, it is a stupid one. Let's move on. We don't have the answers and let's admit the solution will not be a simple one. Just sit back and listen to the kids for once and let us hear what they have to say about it.
    Feb 20, 2018
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  42. Skyline
    Skyline
    JK, are you a teacher?

    I realize there are dissenting voices.

    We do have a police officer in our building which should be mandated across the country. I'm a bit shocked to realize that every school does not have the same. That makes 1 gun in our building and it's the only one I'd trust.
    Feb 20, 2018
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  43. loki993
    loki993
    "I'm a bit shocked to realize that every school does not have the same."

    Security in our schools is terrible and definitely something can be done about that. I feel this is the real conversation that needs to be had.
    Feb 20, 2018
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