Audio-GD R2R 11

Honestly, unless we talk ergonomy (switches here, switches there) or someone knowing such devices inside-out (in tech way) everyone will be happy with what they have (it may be their first device, the next one where the previous one was cheap,...). Not saying it is a bad thing though...

 

I preferred r2r11 to chord mojo with auntie lcd-2c, lcd-3 and hd6xx. I decided to order thear balanced headamp/preamp to use as the heart of my stereo

 

I purchased this as my first stand alone DAC to pair with my Schiit MJ2 and it was great in every way. I don't think this unit get enough air time to be honest. I don't think you'll find a better DAC for under $400 not to mention you also have the amp if you wanted an AIO small footprint unit. Highly recommended!!!!

 

Come one, did you really ban the user because he said good things about AGD?

 

http://www.superbestaudiofriends.or...lume-potentiometer-question.5110/#post-202182

 

Audio GD devides opinion between objectivists and subjectivists like no other. That's why it is rated much higher at HF than here. What I heard from my brief exposure to the NOS11 and NFB11.28 (I think) is certainly pretty good performance at the respective price points. Guess some things in psycho acoustics just cannot be explained by measurements.

 

I get what you're saying, they seem to have good value for the money, but I'm also guessing that's only to those of us who don't know better...of course I could be wrong.

I borrowed a friends DAC19, and thought it was pretty good as well, but I've never spent any time with anything valued on SBAF to compare it with either.

Then there's other things about the company that give me pause as well. They offer the R2R-1 (Balanced) and R2R-2 (SE) for only $64 difference. It seems that either the R2R-2 is way overpriced, the R2R--1 is way under-priced, or the R2R-1 isn't fully balanced, which the website says it is (unless I'm misunderstanding it).

They do post pictures of the inner workings, but I can't make heads or tails of them myself.

Bottom line, I was thinking of getting an R2R-1, but without 'more informed ears' weighing in, I'll wait for a while.

 

I have said nice things about AGD on this site and haven't been banned. But I also never really fucked with anything but AGDs TOTL stuff and I don't argue with people who poo poo AGD products I've never heard (or any products for that matter).

 

You missed post #26. Nothing to do with Audio GD.

 

And all depends of the fact, what are you expecting your source should be doing. Really, what do you need and want? I want a powerful box, a powerful box with a great sound quality (would I be able to tell it apart of some other similarly powerful device? who knows...) and a complete package - I want to have multiple inputs, I want to have a selective output and a selection of a line and pre-amp outputs; the choice of a gain is a nice added touch.

There is nothing else fulfilling these requirements on the market and hitting the same price, is there? If there was a Schiit Modi 3 (it will eventually come and I reckon it will have the Schiit's own USB implementation, I am not sure Mike will have any reason to move away from AK4490) + Magni 3 with an I/O (an offer of switches included) then I would pay even 500 for such device myself.

But if there is something like what I describe in the first paragraph, then let me know, I will definitely check it out.

 

Having an another victim of r2r11 as my friend, I mostly agree with your arguments except ONE THING - sound quality. Not $400 good. Not $300 good. .. Damn not even $99 good. Fulla 2 definitely does nearly everything much better and much "righter".

So,

What one can uniquely get (with r2r-11):
Selective outputs
Selective output levels (fixed/variable)

What one can surely lose:
Sound quality

Suppose r11's SQ is $50 good. Price is $400 (+shipping+etc..).
Will selective outputs and levels be at least $350 valuable? ... Probably not.

 

So what exactly did you dislike about the sound quality?

 

Macbook pro retina - (R2R 11 vs Fulla 2) - ER4S and NH

Very unrefined sound. Kinda combination of "removing something very necessary" and "adding something totally irrelevant". Detailed no. Detailed-ish no (unlike cheap-poor-butanyway-cheap chi-fi dacamps). Let me repeat. This couldn't meet my expectation for $99 product.

I will rather take macbook pro's hp out over r2r11.

Additional experiments revealed that its dac was Porker than its amp (amp was poor by all means though).

 

Vtory, i totally disagree with your opinion, a have used as dacs for differend periods of time modi2+magni 2 and later magni 3 stack, xonar stu, xonar essence one, centrance dacportable, audioquest dragonfly red, nuprime udsd, and i use as my second dac currently hifimediy UDA18 now and actually there is nothing to compare with R2R-11, all these devices are worse sounding. Some of them are cleaner, in all other cases nothing to compare at all, sound siganture, naturalness of timbres and reverberations is better, all my previous devices include schiit just sound flat and simple in comparison to r2r-11, just imho guys, nothing personal. As headphones i use beyer's DT 770 pro 80, 770 pro 250, Senn's HD 600. I listened to these dac's at my home setup with good Canton speakers and amp, and this modi which most of you like so much sound flat, sound imaging so simple, not interesting to listen at all, even xonar stu performs better. Yes r2r-11 have a little bit muddy sound, i missing some transparency from sigma-delta dacs, but in all other ways just nothing to compare. IMHO

p.s. By the way my main setup is vinyl, r2r-11 and headphones i use at work, and this sound closer to the sound signature i prefer. My music preferences is old rock from 80's and 90's, trance from the middle of 2000's, some rap and pop music, FYI

I measured all devices which i used with RMAA, and device with the worst measurements i prefer much better(i talk about r2r-11), than super-clean by RMAA results xonar STU, i found this measurements useless because there is no correlation with listening pleasure and this RMAA results at all, that's why i think this measurements useless.

 

Just wanted to add, that i'm not audio-gd fanboy, this is my first unit, i was in search for device to listen to the music at my work, and i'm happy that after two years of searching i found this one

 

First go to this thread and follow the instructions: http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/must-read-for-new-members.3/

Then read this (along with all the replied posts): http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/what-is-sbaf-must-read-version-2.5555/

Then carefully and thoroughly go through as many threads listed here as possible : http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?forums/tales-from-the-bully-pulpit.2/

Different people hear different things. This per se is fine. But the way how you presented and described sound let me suspect we are using very different languages. Without common grounds, there will be no fruitful communications. On top, you seem to have no idea about sbaf and its culture.

Here is a small tip from many wise sbafers (not me): Rando, post less and lurk(read) more.

 

Vtory, it was just my opinion, if there is problems with opinions and impressions on this forum, sorry i will not post more. I'm just found that there is no so much info about this device in the internet. Why do you think that you can share your judgement and i am not? just curious

 

you do not know what you are talking about unfortunately. i own mojo , lhlabs, and schiit and schiit is the worst and AGD is the best. dont push crap please. thanks.