Bigger TV (65") Recommendations

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  1. AllanMarcus

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    I sold my B6 65" LG OLED for $1000 used when I upgraded to the 77" LG OLED (B8 class, only $3400!). Keep an eye on the used market, especially now that folks might be upgrading (January too).

    One thing I've learned is that if you watch in a bright room, you'll probably want LCD (I refuse to call them LED). If you primarily watch in a dark room, the OLED will be significantly better.
     
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    I ha e heard the bright v dark thing before and people generally recommending OLED if you are trying to create a more filmic experience. I do not have a dedicated TV room. This is a high-rise apartment and we have a floor to ceiling (almost) window to the terrace not 7’feet from where TV will be in the living room. It is not an extraordinarily bright room, but we definitely get good light. Maybe once per week we will turn off all lights at night to watch a film. More than half of viewing is during day time with blinds up. Most prime time viewing is with lights on, but dimmed a bit. We only try to really shut off lights if we are watching a movie, not for TV shows.
     
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    I feel like anyone that says OLED isn't good for moderately bright rooms is either blinding themselves with their LCD TVs or using them on the back patio at noon on a summer day.

    Ok, yeah, I'm exaggerating. Want to know an easy fix? Turn up the backlight. It might not be totally accurate from a calibration standpoint, but that kind of goes out the window anyway, on almost any TV, if you're not viewing in a very dark room.

    The OLED benefits will still far outweigh using an LCD, I think, for most situations. Are there outlying cases where the coating on OLED TVs or their lesser, but still just fine (better than plasma!), brightness won't work? Sure.
     
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    Ours isn't on the back patio, but we have a solarium in the rear part of the room that gets a lot of light during the day. I close all the blinds in the room, and I can definitely enjoy the OLED TV. I just rarely watch anything during the day; I watch at night, with just one 11w LED lamp on (for TV), or no lights on (for movies).OLED has way better viewing angle too. Pretty much on par with my plasma.

    Another challenge with OLED is burn in. If you keep the TV on all the time on a news station, the crawler will burn in. It will burn in on an LCD as well, but at least the LCD is cheaper.

    1000 nits vs 4000 nits isn't anything to write off. If you have a room that effectively outside brightness, an OLED might look a bit washed out. I write this from personal experience. If you can close blinds and reduce the light level, the OLED is great. It just depends on what your TV watching pattern is, and your room's brightness.
     
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    I mean, sure, if someone's room is that bright, and didn't happen to have blinds of some kind, I would be highly curious about their decision on that one.

    Heck, I might argue adding blinds just for OLED would be worth it, in that case.

    Though it would be pretty killer to have one of those houses with floor to ceiling windows for walls, all around...
     
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    I have the Sony X900E and I'm still really happy with it. Not sure how the refreshes are, but the one I have looks great. Chose it over a Vizio and a LG when I was at Best Buy.

    Though I haven't really done a proper comparison between mine and other models, so YMMV. (But then again who really has..?)

    EDIT: oh, I see you like it too. That's good. Maybe hope for a sale? Got mine for just over 1k over a holiday.
     
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    We thought about this house in Larkspur, but we want to be closer to restaurants
    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7317-Fremont-Pl-Larkspur-CO-80118/13496475_zpid/
    That living room would not be good for an OLED. At least there's a basement for a media room :)

    Our "TV room" is 24' x 15' with the TV at the 15' foot side of the room. The other 15' side doesn't have a wall; it opens into a solarium. I seriously thought about hanging some blackout curtains on that side to separate the TV room from the solarium, but because of furniture, it's just not possible.

    The 900 line is great. I almost when that route, but succumbed to OLED due to the blacker blacks.

    No matter which way you go, make sure to have at least 5.1 sound! No f'ing sound bars. I went a little excessive (never happens in this hobby, right?) with 7.1.4. Atmos it quite nice too, if you can swing it. 5.1.4 is perfectly adequate ;-)
     
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    I live in a shack under an eroding hill, and am only 10% joking.

    I mean, that's a super legit house you linked in Larkspur. But that's also the sort of outlier I was mentioning. You would need to invest heavily in special blinds or arrange the room in a specific way to properly deal with glossier coatings on OLED.

    Even then, I would bend over backwards to make OLED work if I had to if that were my house, because f**k LCD.
     
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    So, it looks like the conduit pipe my contractor used is not going to be wide enough for the Samsung One Connect cable to fit through. I am going to know tomorrow but I think the conduit is 1” diameter and we need a minimum of 1.25” I believe. If that is the case I am not sure there is going to be a way to bury that wire in the wall and I may need to switch to a more traditional setup for the living room. (I know that cable is meant to be pretty invisible, but the idea had been to have everything buried in the wall.) I already have power on the wall and there should be room to get 2 HDMI cables through, one for the DVR box from spectrum and another for our PS4.

    We had been looking at the Samsung models because of their Frame flushmount system where you really cannot see any wires from the side. If we cannot do that, can somebody suggest a TV alternative in 65” size that has available mounts that will get us as flush as possible.

    thanks.
     
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    Our go to brackets:
    https://www.premiermounts.com/category/flat-panel/

    Sony on their OLED series has this bracket:
    https://www.sony.com/electronics/accessories-tv-home-cinema/su-wl855

    Haven't done an install with it but had a customer that specifically wanted it for his A9G and seemed pretty pleased with it.
     
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    Now that we have definitively concluded that I cannot use a One Connect Box, my choices for a 65" TV for the living room is back up for grabs. I have a few questions that might help me narrow my choices.

    -- I hear conflicting things about potential for OLED burn-in. But for the fact that we do gaming on this TV I would not be so concerned. Wondering whether a reasonable amount of gaming on a few titles (e.g., FIFA) might be an issue.

    -- mounting as flat as possible is very important - a few people have told me that the Sony's can be mounted more flush than the LGs. Is that correct? But for that I would be inclined to go with the cheaper LG if we do an OLED panel. Now, I am considering the A8 if we do an OLED. A9 is just too expensive for my budget.

    -- only about 10% of viewing is for films with lights out and TV will be in windowed living room. A lot of day time sports viewing. Would OLED still be better or would a high-quality LCD panel be a better all-rounder. I love the look of the OLED's in store when they are demoing films in a darkened showroom. But that is only a small percentage of my use cases. If we do a LCD I am thinking Samsung Q80R, which doesn't require the One Connect cable.

    -- is any particular brand better in terms of avoiding judder without smoothing causing soap opera effect or does that relate to getting settings for a particular TV correct or toggling between different settings depending on what is being viewed.
     
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    OLED can burn in under extreme circumstances, but barring 24/7 FOX/CNN tickers, you'll have no problems even with gaming HUDs etc.

    Flat mounting is a challenge. The bottom of the LG's is thicker than the top, but they can still mount quite flush, though if you want OLED and total flush mounting you'll have to get Sony's variant of the LG OLED, the A9F, which carries a price premium.

    OLED will still look great in a bright room, but you do need to be aware that the glossy screen is prone to reflections, if you will be bothered by this, go with a high end LED backlit LCD instead, like the top end Sony or Samsung models.

    No brand that is half decent will have judder - it's all about settings. Motion interpolation can be turned off, or left on per your preference. I'd strongly recommend checking out reviews of a few displays at rtings.com - they have some nice shootouts and evaluate things very thoroughly.
     
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    The reflections on a LG OLED are extremely good despite being fully glossy. I have a LCD monitor that I use for my PC that is glossy & it looks like a mirror, but when side by side with an the OLED, the OLED is nowhere near as reflective.

    Something about the coating that makes the reflections look darker looking.
     
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    Yeah, LG has invested significant money in its anti-reflective coatings, but the real anal retentive types love to complain still. Being audiophiles, I tend to assume that those go together :)
     
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    I have narrowed choice down to: Sony A8G (B&H has a deal through the weekend for $2,000; otherwise it was unaffordable at over $2,500 and the A9 way too much); Sony x950G; and Samsung Q80R.

    While I acknowledge that OLED burn in is probably not an issue for most, I am just worried my OCD concern over OLED burn-in potential will hamper my enjoyment of the TV and I will be monitoring how much and how the TV is being used. As much as I love the picture I am not sure I want to stress at all about the TV on a daily basis. But the pic qualify is very, very alluring.

    Between the two LEDs, I don't know. I tend to default to Sony sets, but I like the anti-glare on the Samsung and the blacks seem pretty good, but just not as good as the Q90 (and of course not close to any OLED).
     
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    to be clear, you do not have to worry about burn in on an OLED unless you use channels with crawlers, like news channels. If you don't watch those , you will be fine. Your LCD screen will likely also burn in as well if you keep news crawlers on for many many hours/day.

    My TV sits on the Kodi home screen for a fair bit of time, but Kodi dims the screen. In any event, no burn in.
     
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    Are you a grandma that watches QVC all the time, and even just leaves it on their TV 24/7?

    If not, don't stress OLED burn in.
     
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    Definitely would rec the A8G if you can get it over the 950G. $2k was the BF on the A8G and doesn't look like it is falling back anytime soon to that.
     
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    Unless the pricing in your region is particularly weird, I think you’d be better off with a C9 over the A8G. But either will be great
     
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    OK. Different question. I am now second guessing whether I should get a 65” or 75” TV for our living room. My current 10-year old Sony is 52” and I never felt it was too small. So, I thought moving up to 65” was in and of itself an appreciable jump.

    But my neighbor has a 75” Sony 900E and his sofa is closer to his TV than mine will be and I thought it looked great and am wondering if I should go larger.

    For context, the wall our sofa is on is a little over 11’ from the facing wall on which the TV will be mounted. My seating viewing position is probably about 8-10” from that wall. The wall on which the TV will be mounted runs the length of our living room/dining space and is over twenty feet long and will have entertainment shelves about 9’ wide. So I have plenty of room on that wall for a larger set. Should I be looking at 75” TVs instead. I am sure 65” will be sufficient, but if I can get away with larger I am wondering if I should or if money is better spent on picture quality even if it means a smaller TV.
     

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