Bigger TV (65") Recommendations

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    At that distance I'd go for the 75" TV or ideally maybe even an 85" TV, as long as you can mount them so you're not looking up all the time. It's a matter of preference. I've found that I like a 32° horizontal FOV for my TVs, which is a 16:9 diagonal about equal to distance divided by 1.52. At 32° you'll likely even see some benefits of 4K assuming you have better than 20/20 vision (which is very common).
    These two sites can come in handy:
    https://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancemetric.html
    http://screen-size.info/
     
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    I recently went from a 42" LED circa 2010 to a 55" OLED. I don't get the obsession with big TVs. 55" took some getting used to.

    But OLED is the shit. Way better than I anticipated. I got the LG E8. Our room is usually pretty bright. People who say they're dark are blind idiots. I turn down my brightness from 100 even in the middle of the day because I'm not a blind idiot.

    I'm really into computer monitors and that's always a huge deal for people. It's not full HDR! I can't get it as bright as the flipping sun reflecting off 5 feet of fresh snow! No shit. Your eyes are going to burn out of their sockets dummies.

    I'm currently rocking something like 19% brightness with an IPS monitor that has lighting behind it and it's plenty bright for me. Might be why I still have normal vision at nearly 40 despite sitting in front of computers my entire life.

    What's this thread about again?

    Oh, right.

    I'm not a videophile. My wife is happy about that. But I do like getting nice things that will last a long time. A 55" OLED really knocked my pants off. And, yeah, I do watch The Mandalorian in the darkness because black is black, mmmkay?

    The LG menu system/Smart stuff is much better than the others I tried as well. Sony seemed cool because it's Android but it's slow as hell and crashed on me while I was testing it. Samsung was okay but not as good as the LG.

    I got the 55" LG E8 from BuyDig for $1100 during Black Frivemtoberyear.
     
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    Smaller OLED > Larger, lesser type of TV

    OLED is the type of TV where you may have to get a smaller one than you would if not OLED, but it's worth re-arranging your room to sit closer if need be. Which I did myself.

    Not saying you'll have to do that with a 65" OLED, of course. I'm just emphasize the commanding power of OLED picture quality. It's that good.
     
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    The general principle is always go bigger if you can. That said, if i had to choose 65" OLED or 75" LCD, I'd get the OLED 11 times out of 10.
     
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    Lots of OLED hype here, just to add a contrarian data point, and not one of an expert's, I enjoy Samsung's rich, oil paint like colors more than I do any feature on other brands. I'm sure a "colorist" might find flaws, but for my amateur eyes, they're a feast. Maybe it's like audio, you have priorities and you buy according to them.

    I hadn't considered replacing my projector with a TV until I saw a Samsung KS8000. In the end, it only made me upgrade my projector though because inches. Coming from projector land, I consider 75" the minimum for TVs, and figure they're not more popular only because economics.
     
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    The question for me is can any of these new TVs beat a high-end plasma in both color accuracy and motion? Even the higher fresh rates of these TVs still look off to me. I still get too much of that soap opera like effect. Plasma just looks much more natural. 1080p is still plenty of resolution for me and I don't want to rebuy more movies/TV Shows to get 4K or 8K.
     
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    the short answer is no, the motion on an OLED can’t compare at all to that of a plasma. The downside of all sample and hold display technologies :/
     
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    I personally prefer sample and hold over anything with flickering, black frame insertion, interpolation, etc. It either gives me a headache or, in the case of interpolation, looks nasty.

    I see instantaneous frame changes as an ideal scenario. Limitation here is native refresh rate, of both the display and content. OLED does have zero motion blur in the technical sense, but some like to reduce eye tracking motion blur. Again, I'm not that type.

    Plasmas have always been one of those displays where, in theory, color accuracy and contrast ratio are amazing. But they never seemed to have the same black depth and certainly not the brightness of a modern OLED. So, from an "in theory" point of view, I feel like OLED better realizes its intended potential.

    That, and plasmas always have a grainy look to them, every model I've seen. They never seemed to transcend the gritty look of CRTs. I find it very distracting. Many don't.

    I prefer the clean vibrance of LCD or OLED, the latter adding the benefit of perfect motion and the inky, near perfect blacks.

    It all comes down to personal taste, really. I sold my plasma for an LCD, simply because it wasn't vibrant in dimmed daytime rooms and looked dirty. To me, OLED sheds almost all the limitations of other display types, but I get there are use cases and personal tastes that lie outside what I need or care about.
     
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    It's not all about the resolution with these newer oleds. Dolby vision is revolutionary in terms of contrast and color accuracy. It's arguably more important than the 4K resolution.
     
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    ^this. I went from a Panasonic V series plasma to an LG OLED E6. It was a massive jump in brightness, and contrast. The colors will be less accurate out-of-the-box, but if you are watching anything with Dolby vision encoding, the TV automatically recalibrates to the Dolby Vision settings and manages color accuracy on a scene-by-scene basis. Even the best plasma ever made made can't hold a candle to the latest OLED displays
     
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    Ok I been streaming too much lately, and my $200 Vizio TV that I purchased new back in early 2017 is showing the price that I paid for it. Weaker colors, LED bleeding like bad, but low input lag. Since I don't game on it anymore, no point in continue to use it and see all the flaws.

    I might spend $1k for something in 50'' range. Focus on Sony, Samsung and LG? Heard some of the Sony's in 49'' are excellent, which is true if you get the 120hz model that using the VA system for their pixel layout.

    Thoughts my favorite nerds?
     
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    Save $200 and get a LG OLED.
     
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    If you like plasma but wish it were brighter, highly suggest looking for a used Samsung F8500. I’ll be running mine until it blows up.
     
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    Often that's due to the default setting in-store where motion smoothing is enabled. Turn that shit off and also turn off dynamic brightness and color enhancements to get an idea how they really compare.

    Also look at how the colors and white balance are set. I've seen some really wonky settings on certain TVs at Best Buy when they're pushing one over the others.

    It's sad that it's so difficult to get an even starting point in the store to begin the comparison.

    Also, just wanted to note that Fry's routinely has weekly sales on name brand 4k HDR TVs, like 65" for under 1k. You have to get on the mailing list to get the discount code. But with Fry's you have to know what you want already.

    [Edit for stupider Google phone keyboard. They keep making it worse...]
     
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    Really? $200 more on at least $1200 on a OLED, and perhaps prices goes up. Dunno....my wallet.
     
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    I will add that many OLEDs appear oversaturated. That's why if you spend more than $2K on a TV, you should hire a professional calibrator to come dial it in. I've been calibrating displays for years as part of the review gig, so I have the right kit to do it myself. Although grayscale was pretty good on my LG E7 out of the box, I had to make quite a few changes to achieve a truly reference picture.
     
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    The technicolor or ISF Expert modes were pretty good.
     
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    Is it true that most of the LGs out of the box don't have good colors. Is it true the Sonys were better out of the box?
     
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    Just came back from my local Best Buy just looking around.

    Those store lights at times are really killing the benefits of OLED on their store displays. Even with that, you'll see the benefits of inky black and better contrast. I do like Sony with their better processor for their TVs, but the LG is so much cheaper if doing OLED.

    This time I made the decision of going 55 inch as my target size. Once I move into my new apartment in two months I'll see how much light is in the smaller living room. The living room is next to the kitchen, which my GF is normally in it with all the lights on. That could be a problem if I want to shut off as much light as possible to get the benefit of OLED.

    On the OLED front I saw LG B9 Series (OLED55B9) but the price at $1,400 is on the higher end of things. Of course I can save a little money and get the 2018 OLED55B8PUA for $1,200. I did saw the Sony A8F with the fireworks demo and it looks great. But then again, the Sony tax of costing more but they have the better screen processor.

    This is going to be hard for 2020. If there's too much light in my living room I might just opt for the Sony XBR55X950G. Unit looks great for a LED and the colors aren't bad out of the box. Plus the Sony processing for movies is a nice touch.

    Now the catch is which one would be the best fit for just movies if using the Roku Ultra 2019? nVidia Shield will be better than the Roku due to having DV support, but I mostly use the Criterion Channel and that doesn't even have HDR support.
     
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    The Sony and LG TV's all use the same LG OLED panel, but Sony does generally have better processing (they call it Reality Creation) - though the edge is slight, since LG has a better OS overall. I'd say that color accuracy out of the box is actually pretty equal these days, but since all HDR content is mastered differently, you ultimately need a player capable of tone mapping to get a perfectly reference picture every time for UHD Blu-ray for example. Buy the TV you can afford, and then get it calibrated and you'll be happy.
     

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