Campfire Solaris 2020 Mini-Review and Measurements

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    with Solaris 2020 just put a 1/4 adapter on the DUNU 3.5mm cable, and plugged into:

    EC ZDS (low gain). without music playing a bit of air, not real hiss. volume starts getting real loud at 9am on the vol pot.
    but sounds amazeballs great!
    with no music playing, going up the vol pot to 12 delivers more transformer hum, not much hiss surprisingly.

    Magni3+ on low gain, with no music playing- no real hiss, air or hum, until about 3 on the vol pot.
    presentation not as spacious or deep, flattened. a bit of steeliness sound to electric guitars at times.
    the little vol pot is scratchy when increasing / decreasing volume, I don't plan to use magni3+ with IEMs.

    Note 1: DAC used was Bifrost2 using Unison USB.
    Note 2: Youngsters with bat like hearing may notice differences from the above.

    waiting on the iFi iDSD Signature for the Solaris 2020....
     
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    Campfire Solaris 2020 Impressions

    I’d like to thank SBAF and @ChaChaRealSmooth for so generously allowing me to participate in this loaner. I’m most grateful. I’m especially glad I got to hear these IEMs as they weren’t quite what I’d expected.

    Expectations
    Having test-driven the original Solaris a couple of times, for about 45 minutes in total, and from online reviews and impressions, I was interested in the 2020 version because it sounded as though it improved on the original with a smaller physical size, a better fit, a richer, more even midrange, and a higher but also smoother treble extension. I’d hope the reports of sibilance were exaggerated. I also wanted to hear the much-vaunted “holographic” headstage. I have the Andromeda 2020, and the Solaris 2020 seemed to promise superior technicalities but with a similarly musical quality. I remembered, in particular, there being more heft and richness to the sound with the OG Solaris over the OG Andromeda.

    Quick Summary
    As reported by others, these are bright and, for me at least, fatiguing IEMs. I say this as someone who likes the HD 800 SDR. Even so, I can see how the Solaris 2020 would be very popular for some: they make for an exciting but far from relaxing listening experience; they have a brisk, clean sound, and they’re aggressive, which can be a good thing with the right music.


    Some Caveats and Disclaimers
    • I’m coming from the darker Andromeda 2020; the Solaris 2020 would almost inevitably sound brighter
    • the Solaris 2020’s shallow fit meant that I wasn’t able to get a proper seal with foam tips; for this reason I had to rely on silicone tips, which further explains the perceived brightness
    • I have even less experience with decent IEMs than with headphones; I’ve had Massdrop Plus for 2 1/2 years and the Andromeda 2020 for just four months
    • I have only a limited frame of reference for comparable high-end IEMs, which is to say just a few auditions at CanJam

    Preferences

    • For the most part, I like neutral/bright sound signatures; the HD 800 SDR and Clear are my go-to over-ear headphones
    • speed, resolution, and macro-dynamics are appealing, as is a wide, open and airy headstage (such as it can be with headphones or IEMs)
    • bass isn’t a priority, nor are vocals; congestion and excessive warmth are bothersome
    • I do also have a soft spot for slightly dark headphones, as with my Andromeda 2020 with Xelastec tips

    Gear used for Solaris 2020 impressions

    • My portable sources, Sony NW-ZX2 and AK Jr., are excellent for the darker Andromeda 2020 but awful for the Solaris 2020
    • For this reason, I turned to my dark desktop DAC and an amp with an output impedance below an ohm: the Airist R-DAC paired with the Magni 3
    • I also briefly tried out the Solaris 2020 with the iPhone 7 and its dongle (the low Zout worked well but resolution and other qualities were a step back)
    • FWIW, I had the best experience with the Azla Sedna Earfit Short tips
    • Comparisons were with the ZX2 -> Andromeda 2020 with Xelastec tips

    Note on source pairings

    • I found the Solaris 2020 too bright with sources above 1.5 ohms like the AK Jr.. I’d opt for something closer to a zero ohm Zout
    • I have no idea about what was going on with the ZX2 but the Solaris 2020 sounded all kinds of wrong with it (and I had all the sound adjustments disabled). The bass could be inconsistent, disappearing on some tracks but being strong on others. At times this oddness seemed to go beyond changes to frequency response with a higher Zout source (I realize the dynamic driver isn’t affected by output impedance). Electric guitars and vocals, for instance, could also become too faint at times. My sense is that the ZX2 and Solaris 2020 somehow made the mids—or perhaps the upper-mids, more specifically—sound recessed. Perhaps. I don’t know, it was weird (or my perception of it was)

    General Impressions

    The FR, while being bright, seems pretty even, and it extends impressively from fairly low sub-bass up to and (presumably) well beyond the treble limits of my middle-aged hearing. In a few ways the Solaris 2020 reminds me of the Focal Clear: the high end has a slight glass-like hardness to it rather than the sparkle of the OG Andromeda; at the same time, the Solaris 2020’s treble extends well enough that flutes stand out appreciably in large orchestral works. (Cymbals can also sound pretty good). The Solaris 2020, like the Clear, also has plenty of slam, its macro-dynamics are excellent; overall, it’s reasonably fast and highly resolving. (I’ll refrain from commenting on micro-dynamics and plankton as I don’t have the experience to say anything reliable about them).

    The bass is satisfying: it isn’t overly thick, nor does it suffer from a mid-bass hump, which can be bothersome to me. The bass isn’t exactly fast, either. Instead, it can be richly textured and has an appealing, almost chameleon-like quality: the bass shifts effectively to match the music, whether it’s bass heavy or not, or to match the textures of bass instruments, be they brass or string or electronic. In other words, the Solaris 2020’s bass didn’t seem to impart much of its own flavor. It’s the opposite of “one-note bass.” The overall bass presentation, then, sounds just right to me, and it really is great for electronic music.

    Depending on the instruments, timbre was something of a mixed bag. Acoustic instruments fared less well. Some string instruments didn’t resonate convincingly, especially cellos. Violins could sound too clean, and in large orchestral pieces the string section, taken together, could come across as too thin and without the kind of lushness you might expect. Something similar can be said for brass instruments. Trumpets could be as piercing as in real life but they didn’t have much texture and were a bit too smooth. There isn’t the blare you might hope for. The same thing applies for other brighter brass instruments. There isn’t enough crackle, for example, in key passages of Wagner’s Die Walküre. I suspect some of these timbral issues have to do with the brighter tonality of the Solaris 2020. Different tips or sources should make a difference. Charles Mingus’s The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady is supposed to have a rich, dark sound, thanks to its prominent trombones and tuba, and yet it sounded off with the Solaris 2020, with more emphasis towards the trumpet and saxophones. Similar objections can be made for other music: the guitar chimed too brightly in Jeff Buckley’s Hallelujah; his guitar’s lower notes were too recessed. The harmonica in Bob Dylan’s Rainy Day Women #12 and 35 was too shrill.

    Where the Solaris 2020 excelled was with the electric bass and guitar. Basses could have a lovely growl to them. I’d love to hear a Rickenbacker bass out of these IEMs. Guitars had plenty of bite. Where they stood out the most, though, was in their glorious crunch. These are ideal IEMs for 90s alternative rock (Sonic Youth’s Dirty sounded great). In this respect, the Solaris 2020 reminds me somewhat of the LCD2-Classic.

    The Solaris’s headstage is excellent for an IEM. The Solaris has great imaging; you can clearly locate singers in different places on the stage of an opera. Layering is likewise good, as is the depth, but there’s not much air or space around instruments. There isn’t much top-end air, either. Altogether, it’s as though the instruments occupy their own precise places in a well-defined but fairly expansive soundstage but that they also completely fill up that space, leaving little air or separation between them. I now wish I’d spent more time listening to small ensemble jazz; it might not be well-suited to the Solaris 2020.

    In spite of the bright FR, the issues with timbre for acoustic instruments make the Solaris 2020 poorly suited to classical music or jazz (for me, at least). By contrast, the Solaris 2020 is a great IEM for rock, pop, and electronic music. I had moments of pure joy listening to some old favorites, especially when I realized that the punchiness, brightness, and aggressiveness of the Solaris 2020 made it perfect for waking up those soft albums that are lacking in dynamics. The first Stone Roses album is an example of this. Great and groundbreaking though the music is, the album’s sound is far too flat and dull. The Solaris 2020 gave it a new lease on life. Something similar could be said for Orbital’s fun track Petrol. Best of all, and for what it’s worth, I had the most exhilarating time listening to PrImal Scream’s scorcher of a song Kowalski since blasting it too loudly on a car stereo while driving too fast, too late at night, more than two decades ago.

    Comparisons with the Andromeda 2020
    • The Solaris 2020 has a cleaner, clearer, and almost crystalline sound; the Andromeda 2020 has a bit more of a pleasing coloration (to me) as well as a bit of haze, I suspect, which isn’t something I’d have noticed, really, were it not for this direct comparison
    • The Solaris 2020 has a weightier, richer sound
    • The Solaris 2020 leaves the Andromeda 2020 far behind when it comes to sub-bass
    • The Solaris 2020 has superior macro-dynamics and slam; the Andromeda 2020 still has a lot of impact and slam, though, out of the ZX2 (this is quite source dependent)
    • The Solaris 2020 is more aggressive and exciting; Andromeda 2020 is more relaxed and engaging
    • The Solaris 2020 demands your attention; Andromeda 2020 makes for easier, more forgiving listening
    • The Andromeda 2020 renders textures and timbre better, especially with acoustic instruments, specifically strings and brass
    • The Solaris 2020 has more of a 3D headstage; Andromeda 2020’s staging seems wider but that might be deceptive and a function of its comparative lack of depth (I’m guessing here)
    • The Andromeda 2020 has better—or, at least, more spacious—instrument separation
    • While the Solaris 2020 extends further, the Andro 2020 provides a better sense of top-end air, and the Andro's sound is also more open and airy
    • The Andromeda 2020 is more musical, by which I think the subtle nuances are more apparent, as with small gradations of volume
    • I’m not sure if this is absolutely the case, but I found myself more absorbed in the music with the Andro ’20 and more likely to get carried away and to forget to listen critically

    Conclusion

    I was surprised that the Solaris 2020 is quite so bright and that it doesn’t have the rich, slightly warm tone I’d expected from having heard the original version. Instead, it’s more of an aggressive presentation. The sound reminded me slightly of the similarly bright and fatiguing Final Audio A8000. In the end, the Solaris 2020 does not make for a relaxed, easy listen. It’s not as musical or engaging as the Andromeda 2020 even if it is, perhaps, more technically proficient. I won’t be getting a pair; they’re not for me. But they are exciting and can be a hell of a lot of fun with the right music.

    Thank you again, SBAF, for the wonderful opportunity to try out these IEMs.
     
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    Solaris 2020 Loaner Impressions

    Gear: Sony zx300 with Forza copper 4.4 cable. Main IEMs of reference is Andros v3 (2019). I used campfire foamies on both IEMs.

    Over a year ago I had the chance to hear the OG Solaris. While the sound was excellent I found the fit to be embarrassing for a $1500 iem. The 2020 has largely fixed that main complaint, but at a cost which I will detail in a bit.

    Brief comparison to my Andros:

    Lows: Solaris > Andro

    Bass of the Solaris is about equal in overall quantity to the Andros. Where it really pulls ahead is just how natural it sounds. It feels like there is real weight behind the notes, where the Andros feel more artificial (probably due to BA drivers). Neither IEMs are bass cannons, but they get the job done. Doin it right sounds great on both, though neither gets close to full size headphones or my speakers.

    Mids: Andro >= Solaris

    I give the Andros a slight edge, but it's very close despite some differences between them. The Solaris seems to give more space around instruments and sound like a more natural stage. Andro is more consistent and even across the spectrum though which is why I hand this to the Andros. Sometimes I think the Solaris is doing great with some of my metal music, the next I'm skipping to the next track immediately.

    Highs: Andro >>>>>>>>>> Solaris

    Wtf... Either my audio senses were mush from my Vegas when I first heard the OG Solaris, or they decided headaches induced by siblance would be a good idea. I saw the graphs but didn't expect it to be a big deal. At first it didn't bother me, but it almost had a cumulative effect on me. Anyways, highs on the Andros have always been a little too much for me, something I've still been looking to correct for the last year. Solaris is just bright though. Detail is good I guess, but at this point I didn't care anymore and just wanted to go back to my (now) warm sounding Andros.

    One thing going for it (and the OG) is the soundstage. Most IEMs I've tried so far (not a whole lot admittedly) are pretty "boxy" sounding. The Solaris is the only IEM that actually sounds almost like some full sized headphones in it's layering and depth.

    Conclusion:

    If you don't have problems with brightness these are otherwise pretty solid. But seriously, what a disappointment after the excellent OG. Which itself was a disappointment unless Lt. Uhura earpieces sound comfortable to you (if the Solaris also let me communicate with aliens I could look past the size).

    All this comes down to me feeling puzzled about Campfires direction the last few years. It just seems like Ken and co. are throwing ideas at a wall and seeing what sticks. They release the OG but it has some tuning issues, so here is the SE for extra money a few months later with fixed tuning. Too big? Here's a smaller version a year later for another $1.5k. It just seems like they need to stop releasing a half dozen revisions and just wait and spend some more time in R&D and get it right the first time. Instead we have 3 different Solaris, at least 5 Andros (more if you count the 3 versions of OG), 2 Vegas, 2 Dorado's, 2 Lyra's.

    Whoops, went on a small rant. I think Ken is an excellent IEM maker, but I think they need to cool it a bit before brand fatigue starts to set in if it hasn't already and take their time.

    Well, if you don't like the tuning of the Solaris 2020, just wait a few more months. I'm sure there will be another revision you can try for another $1500.
     
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    completely agree with this. I’m frustrated that some cool design advances are implemented in the “special editions” and then are not continued into the next main revision. The Solaris SE had ceramic driver housings which didn’t make it into the Solaris 2020. The Andromeda Gold had extra bass drivers for more accurate bass like the Ara which didn’t make it into the Andromeda 2020. I’d love more accurate bass on my Andromeda 2020 especially since the bass is elevated. (Though I use a Loki now and it’s balanced). I would prefer no special editions, and like you said more time spent in R&D and then new revisions with these new design ideas and better tuning with some sort of goal in mind. The Andromeda 2020 is so shelved in the treble I don’t understand how it managed to be a finished product, it seems like a kind of random reaction to the treble peak in the og Andromeda.

    I know from tuning headphones myself that it takes a loooooong time to get everything right, there’s tons of guess and check and experimentation required, and all these new revisions are coming out very fast.

    Don’t get me wrong though I love CFA’s iem’s in general there’s a reason the only 2 TOTL iem’s I have are CFA. Kevin’s doing a lot right. Just in kind of a crazy way.
     
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    Well, some people - like me - really enjoyed the Andro Gold’s technicalities but didn’t really care for the U(ish) shaped tuning and were secretly wishing for the same technology with a more neutral tuning => Ara is just that and it sure delivers!

    Now I wish they could make the MW10 more mainstream so more people can get their ears on what’s (not so, because limited to Japan...) widely considered to be the best Andro ever made.
     
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    What’s the MW10? I want to hear one!
     
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    I suffered through the 15 minute Currawong video already and still have no idea what they sound like. I guess it’s just as good because used prices are crazy.
     
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    Bahahaha my bad, I was just extrapolating info cuz I've had some demo experience with both the OG Andros and Solarises. My understanding is that the MW10s are comparable on a technical level to the original Andromeda but with more upper-mid bite compared to them and less of a v-ish tuning versus the original Solaris (which I've mentioned before remind me slightly of the TH-900 in IEM form but less stabby in the treble; still bright though). I'm thinking given your preferences the original Andromedas might be more your style, @rhythmdevils.

    Either way yeah prices are painful.
     
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    I kind of agree with this, but at the same time I have to admit of all the IEMs I've tried/owned-- and I've been through some greats-- my two favorites are both Campfire IEMs (though the UM MEST in my ears right now is giving my Solaris SE more of a run for its money than anything else I've tried). I do appreciate the fact that unlike some manufacturers who totally revamp their lineup every couple years CFA chooses instead to refine and polish their proven successes instead of going for something entirely new each time. Bruce Lee said something to the effect of "I do not fear the man who has practiced 1000 kicks-- but I do fear the man who has practiced one kick 1000 times"-- and I think that applies here to some extent. With the Solaris anyway it's not "blindly throwing stuff against the wall"-- from what I gather they are working towards a custom model and a lot of the tech in the 2020 illustrates that. Still pacing is a bit much and I agree that they could possibly spend some more time perfecting things between iterations rather than stick to what appears to be a smartphone-like release schedule (ie. a new o e every year).

    I love the Andro 2020 and personally wouldn't change a thing about it so would disagree that it doesn't feel like a finished product. I've heard about the MW10 and have admired its look but apart from some fanboy rants I've never come across an accurate description of its sound relative to the 2020/OG models beyond gushing platitudes. If I could find a nice reliable comparison I could see myself going for one some day.
     
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    @Clemmaster - Have you heard the MW10?

    I still own the Gold and "Snow White" (American Black Screw B-Stock version of the Japan Release)
    I P.EQ both of them towards the Crinacle / Toranku curves.

    If there was only one IEM to chose from Campfire though, I'd probably choose a Solaris variant for the versatility. Andromeda is more of a certain mood type of listening for me. Kind of like breaking out the HD800 or E-Stats or any other weird timbre thing trying to convey technicality one way or another.
     
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    I have not. I wish to, but they are very hard to come by around these parts of the world and very expensive as a result.

    I sold my Andro SEG when I got the Solaris. Even Ara wasn’t enough to go back to a full BA IEMs after tasting the Solaris’s DD bass.
     
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    I guess I’ll find out soon enough but is the Solaris 2020 more resolving than the og Solaris? That’s what makes me prefer the Andromeda 2020 (with EQ). It’s just way more resolving than te Solaris which is kind of boring to me I think for more reasons than just lack of resolution but that’s part of it.
     
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    I'm going to say no. You sacrifice a bit of the resolution for the sake of the thicker bass. A worthy sacrifice imho but ymmv etc.
     
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    what the hell source are you using? I have to crank up the upper mids and treble and turn down the bass on my Loki to get them neutral.

    I wonder why. My impression is that the Solaris is an Andromeda with a DD so I wonder why it looses resolution. Detail doesn’t come from the bass. Maybe it has something to due with less ideal acoustic chamber or BA driver placement to incorporate the DD.

    I agree that the Solaris has better tonality and bass but not sure it’s worth it.

    does the SE Solaris improve on the resolution from the og?
     
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    I don't have them anymore but was using a PAW S1 and a n6ii + E02. Also, my comment was meant in reference to their sound relative to my own preferences and not towards an ideal of neutrality.

    I'm not sure and I'm far from an expert but the bass on Solaris has a thickness and weight that I suspected drowned out some of the minutia detail present on the Andro.

    It's been far too long since I've heard the OG to be able to comment meaningfully. Perhaps if I wind up sending you mind you'll be able to hear it for yourself.
     
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    that makes sense. I’m a neutral head and super picky and snobby about it :)
     
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    hello,

    because of the generosity of the SBAF loaner program, i have had the opportunity to hear two of CFA's high end iem's, this year, Ara earlier and now Solaris. currently, with gatherings of random strangers on hold, this has been a highlight of my audio experiences in 2020. this is a great place to hang out!

    (insert the usually disclaimer of decrepitude, hearing loss, and low end sources.)

    i found Ara to be wonderful. doing the disappearing act that i seek from gear, getting out of the way of the music.

    Solaris, for me, is a whole 'nother thing.

    in bullets:
    -Solaris has a low end kick that is appropriate for Rock&Roll, not so kind with other genres.
    -Solaris is aggressive in presentation, with a confusion, for me, of emphasis.
    -i was unable to run through my usual suspects list of tunes, as i found the presentation to be fatiguing.
    -for me, Solaris is not pleasurable, while Ara is very, very much so.

    Solaris is very well made, and quite stunning in the sheet metal. unfortunately, i do not like how they sound.

    having the opportunity to audition gear though the loaner program is wonderful. it has allowed me to sample gear that i would never be able to acquire, and allowed me to hear gear i can aspire to.

    i am certain there are folks who would enjoy the more in your face presentation of Solaris over the disappearing
    act of Ara.
    i do not.

    (tl/dr: for me Solaris is too aggressive in presentation, with a low end emphasis that does not suit my tastes.)
     
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    DrForBin - The Ara is the Andromeda 'Refined' in my opinion. I unfortunately haven't heard the new 2020 / S / MW10, but the standard Andromeda gave me that same difference in presentation as does the Ara when compared to the Solaris. I haven't heard anything quite like the Solaris in the in-ear-monitor world yet.

    It seems the Ara is hitting a pretty sweet spot for the Neutral-Crew at SBAF

    P.S. - Meant to say - nice review.
     
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    I did a quick photochop of what I wish the og and 2020 Solaris looked like. instead of Gold paint, just a lack of black paint revealing the bare metal at the end of the iem in the same spot as the gold. Helps them look smaller, and wouldn't be goddy at all.

    [​IMG]
     
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