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ER4S revisted (again for 4th time) versus UERM, ZA CT DX200, Klipsch R6R

Discussion in 'IEMs and Portable Gear' started by The Alchemist, Oct 23, 2015.

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  1. OJneg

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    Who played with dampers here? Just to be sure green stock one are 1500 Ohm right ?

    And what about tips ? Did someone tried custom tips ?

    It's basically a treble tone control. Go on the Head-Fi ER4S thread and they'll tell you the red filters are best. But it's also worth trying the orange and yellow ones depending on your preferences.

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    OJ beat me to it. I first learned about this from zowki and modulor.

    I've tried all the filters because I strongly dislike the stock green ones. I can live with orange, but like yellow the most. Especially with Vali, as suggested by hidehavoc. For tips, I use Comply P series.
     
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    @OJneg. thks. I'd already read Rinchoi's articles. I had a pair of SHure SE535 a few month ago and played with dampers [​IMG]

    @Claritas : Orange dampers seem to sound good. Maybe a notch more treble would be fine. will try red ones. but Firstly, i'll order some custom tips and only then select the appropriate tips [​IMG] .

    I thought those er4 was exclusively usable with Triple flange tips but it seems I was told Bullshits. IEMs Fit & Seal seem to be a very personal thing and it's hard to take exemple from others. [​IMG]
     
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    What was your problem with the tri-flanges? I've tried just about all of them (including customs) and tri-flanges are the best provided you can get used to the deep insertion. I wouldn't recommend customs at all, as they'll kill the bass and make the treble peakier.
     
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    Quote from: OJneg on April 20, 2015, 10:23:44 AM
    What was your problem with the tri-flanges? I've tried just about all of them (including customs) and tri-flanges are the best provided you can get used to the deep insertion. I wouldn't recommend customs at all, as they'll kill the bass and make the treble peakier.

    it irritates my ear canal. much more than my CIEM ( silicon IEM with deep insertion too)

    The friend who sold me those ER4 use only stock gray foam tips and he's a fan of his ER4 ( He had two pairs and sold me one and he prefers his ER4 to many TOTL iems like Shure SE846 for example) . For customs tips, Piotr told exactly the contrary ( Bass increase) and If I refer to my Custom iems (Music two) , it provides really deep insert.

    I think I'll try custom tips then make my own opinion and give you the results of my experience.


    EDIT : Compared stock complys and stock Tri-flanges. It seems Complys eat the microdynamics and some treble but helps to have more bass. It seems I struggle to have a good seal with triflanges.

    EDIT 2 : f**k ! I found a good fit with the triflanges [​IMG] . bass are alive !
     
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    Man. I just got these again. Its been 3 years since I had them last, when I found them a pinnacle of clarity, but otherwise anemic. I don't know what has changed, but the bass is alive.

    I am pretty aggressive about deep insertion with universal IEMs, I have used similar sources/amps, and I previously used the original triple flange shure olives as tips. Based on that, I have narrowed it to the following: using the smaller "baby blue" triple flanges this time AND/OR hearing loss / changes.

    I am scared to believe my hearing could have changed that much... it would mean (I think) I have sufficient higher frequency loss that I can turn up the volume without pain, and thus hear moar bass. I am only 32, and (live shows aside) am pretty careful about listening levels. Is this possible??
     
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    I think a lot of people are used to bass boosted IEMs. And it makes sense given the missing 6dB effect and all that. But I can't listen to those things.....it's just not a natural way to reproduce that part of the spectrum. Given correct insertion, I find IEMs like the ER4S, Rockit R50 (DBA02?), and certain UE's (UERM & UE4) to have the correct amount of bass with relation to mids.
     
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    An Ety rep told me that the triflanges used to irritate his ears till he cut 2 mm off the base. He gave me some extras to try that with, but I haven't gotten to it yet.
     
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    Mine are sold. Realmassy from head-fi owns them now. My Custom Art Music two are both more enjoyable on the go and more resolving. not mention to comfort ( Custom vs Triflange [​IMG] ) The lack of resolution and soundstage layering killed those ER4 for me [​IMG]

    Nothing to complain about bass though. At least with the best seal I achieved to get.

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    Quote from: Sorrodje on May 08, 2015, 07:27:44 PM
    The lack of resolution and soundstage layering killed those ER4 for me [​IMG]

    This is where a single BA driver is ultimately gimped. The FAD FIBA-SS is probably the best it gets for a single BA, but ultimately having just one extra driver opens things up and makes sound so much more effortless. The trick is not going too crazy with additional drivers to the point your crossover is a mess and even perhaps veiling the sound.
     
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    Piotr Granicki from Custom Art Seems to do a Good Job. My Music two are really affordable (350$ ?) but they never cease to impress me. Not enough clarity, not enough extension, maybe not enough transparent but they're damn resolving [​IMG]

    Maybe I'll give a try to his Harmony 8 pro but haven't enough use of IEMs. So I much prefer send my money in my home rig I spend 20/25hours per week with.
     
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    Well, they do have dual armatures.


    Yep. two sonions.
     
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    Even the DBA02 is less grey and more clear than the UERM.Never heard ER-4, I guess ER-6 is noticeably inferior, still many have described similarities in their characteristics. Anyways very raw sounding vs ATH-CK10 (TWFK) I had back then.

    I think I have wrong ear channels for Zeros, they sound dull and overly laid back to me.
    OJ have you tried the ATH take on the TWFK, are these as good as DBA02-s?
     
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    Great thread

    Link to the ATH? I don't think so, but keep in mind, the DBA02/R50 is tough to beat.
     
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    And sadly, both of them are impossible to find!
     
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    I have a similar impression of the Ety ER4s- accurate and mostly neutral. Excellent isolation with the flange tips (the go to for airline travel) all at the expense of the need for amplification (not an issue for me) and the ear rape insertion. It does do quite well with a tube amps at home (both the LD3 and Raptor).
     
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