Geek Wave final(?) development discussion - aka "please lord let it ship!"

Discussion in 'Product Announcements' started by mscott58, Oct 26, 2017.

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When will the Geek Wave ship by?

  1. January 2018

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  2. April 2018

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  3. July 2018

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  4. October 2018

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  5. Sometime in 2019

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  6. Who the heck knows - I've given up hope

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  7. What's the Geek Wave again?

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  8. Never

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  1. Case

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    Perhaps the product should be renamed
     
  2. Warrior

    Warrior RIP 2021

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    Perhaps, Larry should be renamed? Does he go to any audio events? I would imagine people would line up to talk to him, perhaps even cuss him ever so slightly.
     
  3. m17xr2b

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    Fraud should be easy to prove. In my case they happily took more of my money outside of the campaign via PayPal with promises of quick delivery for upgraded gear. That was 2 years ago.I'm sure there are many more people in the same situation. If we can prove they purposely and knowingly misinformed the backers with fake deadlines while LH Labs was fully aware they can no longer fulfil any of the remaining orders we may have a solid case. A good investigator is needed to establish the facts. Where is Kalinda when you need her?

    Let's leave LH labs alone for now. I hate that in the society we live in it's so easy to be deceiving, opportunistic and a general dick to the fellow man/woman in the pursuit of financial gain while proving a party is detrimental to the general well being of countless people is almost an impossible task. What is the goal? To die with the highest number on a random bank server which somehow established your worth? Can I be president of the world?
     
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  4. m17xr2b

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    I wouldn't mind spending a night in jail if I can get a good hit. 2K for one punch should be an even trade, if he doesn't care neither do I.
     
  5. Warrior

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    Fraud in general is extremely difficult to prove, but in this case, it might be easy. I believe that proving that they had intent to defraud people on the onset of the crowdfucking... Er crowd funding campaign would be the key. If what @Mike_WI said is accurate and prove-able, then I think it's a clear case of fraud. Regardless of what IGG or kickstarter states in their rules/terms, it doesn't protect manufacturers of breaking the law. If things were that simple, massive amounts of criminals could form all sorts of kickstarter campaigns to break various laws. First, if you enter into a contract with anyone, kickstarter, a random Corp, IGG., etc., the contract has to be legal, otherwise the contract is null or void (or whatever the exact legal term is). In this case, if Larry committed fraud, the agreement between said campaign would be void/null, and wouldn't protect Larry's rights, nor would it be enforceable for the consumer to wave their rights to sue, or proceed with any legals means necessary to protect themselves and/or recoup their money. Again, you guys should consult with a real attorney to see where you stand. Perhaps, like the article the @JK47 posted, contact the ftc. Contact the attorney General of your state, Larry's state, etc. Start making noise before your opportunity to make noise is lost.
     
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    I believe the name Belial, Lord of Lies, is already taken.
     
  7. m17xr2b

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    Good thing I wasn't drinking milk! Haven't laughed like this in a while.
     
  8. synthwavefan

    synthwavefan Cluelessly Misogynistic - MOT - LH Labs

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    Yes, I'm stuck limo over on head-fi.

    Thanks! I'm a really cool guy.

    Bunch of reasons: I like the Geek Out series, I didn't know of the current mess we'd be facing when I started, employee discounts/access to gear, I just like the audio hobby so it's cool to be involved somehow, if I quit who else would help backers?, hope that things eventually get sorted out, and it doesn't really cost me anything and the money I make from it just goes back into the audio hobby.

    Can't disagree with you on any points. Luckily, it's a part-time side gig, so it's not like I'm facing this all hours of every day.
     
  9. Warrior

    Warrior RIP 2021

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    Thank you for sharing your story, and although I'm not involved in this mess fortunately, thank you for trying to help in any way possible. Anything negative I say, is certainly not meant towards you or @LHCommSquad in anyway whatsoever. Derp. You are lhcomm. Sorry, poor reading skills today.
     
  10. Warrior

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    Ouch, @Kunlun ,that hurts bro!! Time to make a thread, why o why does kunlun give me dislikes!! ;)
     
  11. Thad E Ginathom

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    Whilst I'm happy to know you are human, and have good intentions, I really think you should get out of there. What's going to happen is going to happen, whatever. It might be better not to be around.

    I hope it is atypical. Otherwise I would suggest some sort of counselling. Some of us get into abusive/etc/etc work relationships. Sometimes, hey, it pays the bills. But if you have a choice...

    (And whether I'm right or wrong about that, I mean it as one human to another, outside the scope of this thread, the commercial situation, and my thoughts and posts about it)
     
  12. Kunlun

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    You're thanking a guy who is actively complicit in what looks awfully like fraud--a fraud in which other SBAFriends have lost money. That's a dislike, even if I like you generally, bro.

    However, I do have to thank you for the phrase "liked on head-fi". Next time I need to low-key say a person's a piece of shit, I'll say he's liked on head-fi. It fits the same role that "good for classical" does for headphones (I like classical, but when you see that phrase, it means the headphone attracts flies).
     
  13. Warrior

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    I was joking about the dislike bro. That being said, I feel, that I've offered some pretty sound advice in this thread ,and have made my feelings very clear. I don't condone, support,, or approve of what Larry and his crew of thieves and misfits have done. That being said, I don't know this particular person, but if what he is saying is true, why condemn him? If he's being truthful, it would appear that he's trying to help. Would I do what he's doing? f**k no. I would never associate myself with said company. Now, isn't there also a member of staff here that has some association with Larry? Does that make him a rotten person?
    Also, I thanked him for explaining his role with the company, not for him participating in fraud with company, but also for trying to help, which maybe he is. I don't know. f**k, he could be Larry himself for all we know. Or he could just be who he says he is.

    Regardless, I think my position is very clear, I think Larry and crew are thieves and people should see an attorney ASAP, regardless of whatever anyone says at LH.

    I also see your point very clearly, but I am.far from the first person to give him a like. No, I'm not trying to get the disliked removed, that honestly was a joke about the other guy starting threads over dislikes.

    I still love you though, even though you disliked me!! :)
     
  14. Lyander

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    "Belial, Lord of Lies" got a smirk out of me, but this one actually made me bark a laugh that hurt my soft palate.

    If @synthwavefan truly was aware of what he was getting into defending Larry Ho / Light Harmonic / LH Labs (gotta use em all to keep SEOs up) then yeah, that's inexcusable and he deserves crap delivered to his bedside. I'm giving him benefit of the doubt for now and engaging normally in the McDo thread, but then again, I was too young and poor to back this when the IGG campaign was up, meaning I have no horse in this race. I understand that many well-intentioned people offered an astonishing amount of money to this endeavour, though, in consideration of which I'm quite happy to call bullshit out and solicit help from lawyers if need be.

    Frankly, I want to see backers get their damn products, or at the very least their money back adjusted for inflation because it's just been that long since the campaign. I have been following the drama for as long as I've known of it (about a year and a half now?), and each development just serves to deepen my sympathies for backers and distaste of LH.
     
  15. Warrior

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    Couldn't agree more bro. If he is any way a part of this f'ing nightmare, well, shame on him. Complete GOT style... Shame...shame...shame...shame...

    I don't know the guy, and although probably not too smart, I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt as well. He did have a trip planned out to one of the offices of LH, and when members requested pics of the boards, they weren't there but at another location, 2 hours away. It was wisely suggested that Larry should have it shipped to the right office, prior to synthwavefan arriving, which was a good idea. Unfortunately, since that would have been too easy to prove the boards exist, the flight was cancelled by someone at LH I'm assuming. Not sure if that last part is accurate, but sounds completely believable to me. Would have put to rest the bare minimum, that this thing exists in some sort of fashion. But, that is not the case.

    @synthwavefan I am sure you can see how absolutely horrible thatooks, piled on with everything else, what are people to think? I mean couldn't somebody in that company, your company, take a video of a bunch of these boards? Cases? Anything to show there is a product? I mean it's the simplest thing to do, if anything exists. Then again, my whole argument has been, more lies, more perks, just anything to push this past the statute of limitations.

    You know what, I know several attorneys, I'll make some phone calls tomorrow see if I can get some additional free advice. Other than that, not being a backer not much else I can do at this point.

    Maybe I'll make a website, larryhostolefromme.com and people can sign up, and join forces, and get the rat bastard. There are enough people out there. What did this shit hit, $4 mil? That's a lot of money and something tells me that Larry isn't bankrupt, but quite solvent on the contrary.
     
  16. LHCommSquad

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    Moderator zerodeefex is a Light Harmonic board member.

    It appears the thread has devolved into whether a) I helped rip off and/or lie to backers and b) if I'm Larry Ho in disguise. (both of which are false)

    I actually sent Warrior a PM which, if he wants, he's free to share, lest anyone still think I'm a shill or that I run around deceiving backers or whatever. Anyone who knows me IRL will know my thoughts over LH and my frustrations with the business/company.

    Anyway, I did get pictures of the Asteria IEM which show we didn't take apart the unit. We also sent the Asteria back to Campfire Audio and I have the proof of packaging and tracking information as well. (and proof of delivery)

    I'm talking over with Larry the best way to present that information, either here or elsewhere, assuming we're able to post here, which remains in doubt at this point.

    On a side note, I'm trying to get more information over the Wave boards, with actual pictures or video. If I'm allowed to post it, I will.
     
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    Please don't do this, don't try to steer the discussion in a different direction, we have brain you know and can figure out obvious stalling/deceit tactics. You know perfectly well a) We don't hold you responsible in any way as you weren't involved in the original campaign b) you are deceiving backers as you have a dozen missed deadlines already with no explanation but I'm sure you are just the messenger c) it's immaterial if you are Larry or not, we are discussing facts as best we can and if you are Larry it makes little difference.

    You should get a temporary ban for still dwelling on the Asteria crap. Let it go.
     
  18. jowls

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    Yeah, I don’t think anyone here actually gives a shit about Listeria. Larry should just invest his energy into fulfilling prior commitments.
     
  19. LHCommSquad

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    Someone did, there's a 7 page thread over it and lots of calls supporting Ken and talking about suing us for supposedly stealing Ken's design. Ken also cared enough about it as well to start a public discussion over it on this very forum, which leaked over into Head-Fi.

    However, if no one is actually interested in the resolution of that whole discussion, that's fine and we'll just hold onto the proof if it comes up again by anyone.
     
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    You are starting to get on my nerves! Do you have proof the remaining orders are being fulfilled? No? Then STFU.
     
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