Gustard DAC-X26 impressions and discussions

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  1. supersergios

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    try not to spend more than $300 (and $100 even better) in this case :)
     
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    Mmmmmmmh
    Topping D90 MQA (available Mar 1 , 2020 )
    :rolleyes:
     
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    I think you should consider other DACs:
    1. Bifrost 2 might synergize well with the Maggies. Good strong heft in the lows and warm tonality. Very resolving of fine detail and ambient cues.
    2. Convert-2. Even stronger heft and strong attacks without being edgy. Great natural timbre. Wrap around soundstage might play very well with the imaging particularities of the Maggies.
    Both above DACs will have more natural highs than the Gustard A22, A27, and Topping, which could be a blessing with the Maggies depending upon other components. Their strong bass kick will serve the Maggies well.

    With the above two DACs, you are more likely be assured that you are not sending money to an evil empire (the quarrel is not with the people, but with the government and its Emperor named Xi) which will probably one day want to own Europe, that is after they have conquered the rest of the Pacific Rim (Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam) and then moved on to India.

    Personally, I wouldn't bother with any of that Topping or Gustard garbage, except the A22 does seem interesting with the dual AKM4499. The thing with most Chi-Fi shit, especially those two brands, is that they lose their value quickly. You can't sell it for half the price if you change your mind later. These brands have a strong history of FOTM, when people hop on, or buy because the specs look great at the right price. They then silently get rid of them. New and latest and greatest or bestest measuring doesn't mean anything. Unless you have a Benchmark AHB2, I bet your power amp produces x100 more distortion than those best DACs, and your speakers x10000 more.

    P.S. Look what the original poster who reviewed the X26 is using as a DAC now. That will be most telling of everything. I'm just giving you good solid advice and telling you exactly what I would spend MY money on. I'm hitting you with the hammer over the head here because it really does seem you want some sort of validation with your decisions, of which you will get none. You mentioned three DACs. None of them is my direct and honest answer to you.
     
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    Convert 2 (2.400€):
    Apart from this comment, as an anecdote. This one goes over budget. I'm going to watch the "Bifrost 2"
     
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    Bifrost 2 (700$ + 18$ remote control + 40$ Shipping + customs):

    “I see you named your True Multibit architecture. What, was there a sale on trademarks or something?
    No, we named it True Multibit™ because there’s a lot of confusion over what is really multibit and what isn't. Some companies refer to multilevel delta-sigma D/A converters (like the AK4490 used in the $99 Modi 3 and Fulla) as “Multibit” DACs. While kinda-sorta-maybe technically correct, this is pretty misleading. 2 to 5 bits of actual resolution plus massive amounts of noise shaping is not true multibit. Hence, True Multibit. We use True Multibit to denote DACs that have 16-20 actual bits, rather than multilevel noise-shaping delta-sigma DACs, coupled with our unique combination of time- and frequency-domain optimized digital filter, based on math first proposed by Western Electric in 1917, and developed into usable algorithms by a team that included a professor emeritus of math and a Rand Corp mathematician. It’s unlike any other digital filter today, and we believe it provides the closest thing to a true interpolation, while retaining the original samples as closely as possible. “

    I like this one. Mmmmmh
     
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    2. Is Expensive for me

    1. Is good, and Gungnir (200$ more of Bifrost2)
    is good for my AudioResearch_DS135 AB my Magneplanar LRS? (Thanks)

    Look:

    Richard Barclay
    "Gungnir Multibit’s sonic signature is intriguingly different to any other DAC I have listened to, and it was initially quite a challenge to hear recordings, with which I thought I had intimate familiarity, presented in this way. Music emanates from a distant, inky black expanse, ebbs and flows with natural fluidity, and possesses an incredible smoothness and depth that is reminiscent of a high-end analogue system."

    "Listening to Gungnir Multibit it is like being alone in the auditorium; there is nothing to distract your attention from the musical mastery unfolding before you, and you can sit a few rows back, relax and fully appreciate the intended scale, dimensionality and dynamism whilst still being completely immersed in the experience."

    "While the single-ended circuits are excellent, trading up to balanced elevates the performance to exceptional - and I dare say peerless - in this price range."

    "Together, the two units complement each other exceptionally well and offer a seductively revealing, immersive and textured listening experience in which music is allowed to breathe freely. Their combined price-to-performance ratio verges on the ridiculous."
     
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    Gungnir Multibit original version (not current A2 one) using only balanced outs. A2 version is cleaner, denser timbre, more resolving, but may be tonally too cool for the Maggies.

    Otherwise Bifrost 2 using balanced outs into your AR. If you happen to use SE preamp, then Bifrost SE outputs also sound just as good.
     
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    Ok, for Maggies more good Bifrost2


    Here I explain my equipment, in order of output of the music:

    Music player, I have everything in Flac: Oppo 203 (coaxial output), ApleTV (for AirPlay, optical output / for Tidal Masters) and the PC with Windows 10
    Dac pending purchase (I now use an Anthem of cinema) (future: Bifrost2 ?
    Power amplifier: Audio Research SD135
    Speakers: Magneplanar LRS
    2 SVW_2000 500w subwoofers

    My intention is to connect the AudioResearch to the Dac (for the balanced output) and use the RCA outputs (unbalanced) for each of the subwoofers (it would be stereo subw)
     
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    I just saw that with “Gungnir_ multibit“ it is worth $ 1300 but it has no possibility of having a remote control of volume, so it is no longer useful to me ..
     
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    A friend write for me (Bifrost2 not remote control for volume)

    “No, that remote you are showing is a remote for amps.
    You can see remote for Bifrost 2 on the Bifrost product photo.

    Button for volumes in amp is replaced by source selection (you can select direction you move) in Bifrost.
    And yes, I own Bifrost 2. “
     
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    Get Schiit Saga for preamp with remote. Bifrost SE output sounds same as XLR, so no need for a balanced preamp. Saga also fits nicely on top of Bifrost.
     
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    Does the balanced output sound the same as the RCA? is that I have some problems with the RCA and a small background noise, that the balanced output would solve it. So the budget with Freya (normal or plus) would already go up a lot, I have to go back again. On AliExpress, the ToppingD90 comes out for € 631. The Bigfrost2 & Freya+ is about € 1800.

    I think that economically I have to look back to the ToppingD90
     
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    Yeah. Topping D90 is your best bet at the price if you need the preamp function.
     
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    Something I thought I'd never read, here :D
     
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    It's more like I give up. Hard to give advice when requirements (price, functions, etc.) are not stated fully or evolve (even the two Gustard DACs mentioned for consideration did not have remote preamp functions either). Most of the time in these circumstances, the person asking for advice just goes full circle back to what they sought confirmation for in the first place. So I could care less.
     
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    Solid advice given was not the answer desired. Seeking confirmation for a choice already made.
     
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    34 posts in this thread in a week. No posts in the intro thread or anywhere else. Too much noise, not enough signal. 2 weeks off.
     

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