HD6XX vs K7XX vs HE4XX

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  1. Alexander

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    If bass extension is not requisite then the HD600 sounds right up your alley. The K7XX never sounded right to me due to the upper midrange dip.
     
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    The dislikes are because people would prefer you post in the All Purpose Advice Thread (https://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/the-all-purpose-advice-thread.19/) rather than start a new thread.

    I see that you deleted your post in that thread, but I think you would be better served moving your post back there.
     
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    Don't mind the dislikes, they don't mean much and don't automatically put you on a black list, however, a lot of bitching and whining sure does. Nonetheless, please do participate in generating insights instead of just logging in to ask for buying advice, this forum is all about the 'signal', there's a few other places to ask for purchasing advice, post pictures of your gear, swing your e-peen, ask for shipping information on your kickstarter purchases, have a blog, etc...
     
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    1) I didn't mention the massdrop HD6XX, I mentioned the HD600 which is part of the HD6XX family. HD600 is leaner than the HD650/massdrop HD6XX, which itself is widely considered warm.
    2) I can't possibly answer that, and you can't possibly expect me or anyone else to answer that, you have to find out. If you are having second thoughts, then by all means ignore this.
     
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    Learn the ways of the force, ask questions in the right sub forum, don't whine about dislikes (a bannable offence), and you'll get the answers you need without cluttering up the site with unnecessary threads. You'll be fine.
     
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    Hey op,

    Shit, shower, shave, crank this in your dad’s car stereo until it smokes, and
    [​IMG]
     
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    Posting here because PM to Alexander isn't working for some reason:

    Hi, the dislike from me was because:

    The question could have gone under "general advice" like most questions do. It's not that common for entirely new threads to get started on SBAF, and when they do it's usually because there's something more unique about the topic rather than a 'what to buy' question.

    The question was also about 3 incredibly popular headphones with hundreds of pages of reviews on them already. A simple Google search on any of the names, or even a combination of the product names, would have made this thread obsolete.

    Nothing personal in the dislike, just an indication that the post doesn't really fit in here. It's more of a reddit/Head-Fi/general advice kind of topic.
     
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    @Alexander, trying to backtrack and deleting your posts isn't going to work here. We all saw what was posted already.
     
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    LOL. This is too funny.

    I know this place can get confusing for randos who are used to heAD-fi. That's why they should read the "what is sbaf" before making their 1st post.
     
  14. purr1n

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    Here are my two cents.

    The SRH940 doesn't really sound all that resolving. It's "detailed" in the sense in that it sounds clean, has a slightly rising response, and has a bit of an edge. It's what we call false detail or macro detail, especially if used from an Oppo HA2. Think of it as an oversharpened low-resolution 720x480 photo of your favorite porn starlet as opposed to a low-contrast non-sharpened 1280x720 photo. This effect is slight on the SRH940 so I'm nitpicking. What bothers me more is the SRH940's plasticky timbre and overly smoothed textures. Overall it's decent, and 90% of the time you are going to do a lot worse if you randomly selected another headphone around the same price range.

    The HD6XX is going to sound very different tonally and perhaps not to your taste coming from K701 and SRH840. The HD600 might be more suitable (less thick, more forward in the vocals region). However, neither headphone will have that wide depression from the upper bass to midrange (corollary to the SRH940s rising highs and mid-bass bump) that imparts that sense of clarity or lack of muddiness that you mention.

    Personally, I feel either HD600 or HD650 are going to be superior in terms of resolution and frequency response to either SRH940 or the AKH7XX at the expense of muddier bass, HD650 more so, because of the effects of tonal balance and perhaps slightly higher distortion. The superior resolution will be more evident from the Magni 3 and Modi 3. However, there is no guarantee that you will like the sound of the HD600 or HD650, so be prepared for a change and time period of acclimatization. People who like the HD600 and HD650 believe that the essence of music lives in the mids and highs (knowing their approaches to the mids and upper-mids is what primarily sets them apart). Finally, more resolving gear is only worth it if you have good recordings. Video games and anime soundtracks (with a few exceptions) will not take advantage of more resolving gear. (I use Fulla 2 and Sony MA900 for games, anime, YouTube, PornHub, etc. The Fulla 2 is portable and MA900 is light and super comfortable.)

    No one can answer for you what to do. Personally, I would encourage you to get an HD600 because it's a good reference point as it is slightly less muddy than the HD650. Just don't blame me if you don't like it.

    Basically, you just have to make the jump. No one here will push you or pull you back. And I wouldn't worry about the 18 hours left or whatever. No one here has time to cater to you and you shouldn't let retailers control you like that danging you with hope (of a great deal) and fear (of missing out).
     
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    Well, it looks like you pulled the trigger on an HD6XX. Couldn't resist that limited time offer deal that would never ever come back again in our lifetimes right?

    Uncertain what you mean by the sound signature, but the HD598's frequency response fits somewhere in between the HD650 and HD600, with a flair of its own. In essence, it's still a Sennheiser. The HD650 and HD600 are higher resolution lower distortion versions of the HD558/598. Think of going from a car stereo listening to the radio to a decent home system, but with a similar tonal response and same timbre.

    Coming from SRH940 or K701, you might hate the HD6XX, find it overly laid-back or muddy. Just because many people like it here or consider it as a reference doesn't mean you should like it.
     
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    I am assuming that questions like this usually come from limited budget and (more importantly) very sub-optimal upstream, which cannot benefit hd650 and 6xx resolution.

    Inferring from the questioner's situation, hd58x must be a better alternative (less veil-ish, or cleaner sounding without careful choice of dacs and amps, at a cost of a bit lost dynamics). Or, maybe classic beyers like dt880 may work.

    Regardless, love-hate experience with hd650/6xx is a worthy stepping stone. lol

    My two cents.

    PS. also kinda hate not to distinguish 600 from 650. I know many -- including myself -- who like one but hate the other, particularly when not properly modded.
     
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    I've got significant headtime with a couple of these headphones so I'll share my experience... I really enjoy the 7XX for gaming because the positional cues are fantastic. On the contrary to purr1n I do find that sound quality matters in games especially in relation to positioning. I don't want a sound that is thick, full and diffuse when playing some battle royale/FPS game. A brighter/non muddy sound is what I prefer when playing competitively and large soundstange is a must. For this I'd recommend the 7XX, it also doesn't sound terrible for music but it is not thick and can be considered treble heavy. If budget is a concern minty pairs go up on other forums around the $100 mark quite often. I'd recommend going this route.

    If music is your primary focus and you are not 100% EDM I'd recommend the 6XX (The 7XX performs better for EDM IMO). It doesn't perform well in the sub bass region but everything else has a much richer presentation than the 7XX. More intimate and less spacious in a way that is warm and pleasing yet detailed and resolving. Fuller sounding. Both headphones would pair well with a Magni3/Modi3 combo. With older Schiit gear I've had better results with optical SPDIF over USB, however I can't comment on the Modi 3's performance. Best off to try both and see what you like.

    Budget allowing you may just get both headphones, they each have their strengths and you'll be able to better figure out what best suits your preference. Good luck!
     
  18. purr1n

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    You suck. I used POS Sony on-ears and Grado SR80 for gaming back in the day and I had no problem figuring out where people were sneaking in from. Was in a competitive clan for Q3 WFA. We were at the top of the top league and went undefeated for 15 weeks until a few got bored and quit. I tried to come back later, but I sucked because my skills had eroded from lack of consistent practice.

    Regular consistent practice against good players and friendly clans is what makes you a good player / team. A clan leader that busted people's balls for failure and relegated you to the B team also makes you a better player (or quit). Not bright headphones with a strange midrange scoop that kinda don't even image that well. I cared more about the mouse.
     
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    I used to play COD4 rather heavy in my day to the point of clearing an Intel LF tournament with ease and in that game sound didn't matter a whole lot despite it being an FPS. I was using a Microsoft Lifechat 3000 headset at the time. The game was about routes, chokes and quick reactions. You just needed to hear basic directional sound and that was all. I would classify Quake 3 Arena in that same category. Hell man, that game came out about year 2000. Modern games like Hunt: Showdown are an excellent example of why having the right kind of sound can potentially pay off. There are several other titles out there that benefit as well.

    On a more bass/bloom heavy setup it's much harder for me to hear the mass amount of audio information going on when shit hits the fan. With a brighter setup I feel I can hear an enemy easier that is say circling around me while I'm in a house dispatching a zombie and differentiate that sound from other NPC enemies in proximity. I game using my desktop audio setup so over the years I've figured out what I felt worked the best for the games I play and what I need.

    Who doesn't mess with something to make it work right for them? Configure graphical settings to improve in game visibility and provide the highest FPS for smooth gameplay. Adjust mouse settings that work for your play style and use a keyboard macro'd up and well suited for gaming*. Why not improve your audio experience as well? Quality audio doesn't make the player. I know first hand LOTS of practice and dedication make the player. Still, having an audio setup tuned to what works for a particular person or game can help. Maybe not as much as a Zowie EC2-A, though.

    As to the cans between the 7XX and 6XX in gaming the 7 I feel has more capability despite the scoop. It isn't my top choice but for the price these can be had at especially if you are willing to do some light modding/eq I find it hard not to recommend. For music I always reach for the 6XX but I've still had quite a few good sessions on the 7XX during my ownership.


    *this may seem like a joke but try gaming on MX Clears for a couple of hours and see how your fingers feel afterwards
     
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    Wait a minute...

    Why would this be contrary?

    I said that the higher sound quality of the HD6** over the K7XX and SRH940 would not be used to its potential for gaming (or 85% of anime soundtracks), so better off sticking with the less resolving K7XX and SRH940.

    Then you "disagree" with me by doing the "contrary thing", invoking my name, then saying that sound quality (bad quality bright sound) does matter for gaming and that the K7XX would be the better option.

    I'm confused.

    I take it you are not allowed to visit @jexby or @zerodeefex's house?
     
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