JudeGate 3? Shut the f*** up Jude.

Discussion in 'Headphone Measurements' started by purr1n, Jan 17, 2018.

  1. Elnrik

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    I love how Mshenay was first in line to kiss Jude's ass.

    It just might inspire me to make another Star Wars intro scrolling thingy.
     
  2. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    My bad. That is low. I don't think I've ever pulled a short man joke on Jude before.

    Went out to lunch with one of my regular drinking buddies and she added a bourbon to my beer. You guys know how I get after a few drinks. My kids are old enough now where I can pull off this shit more, so expect even more erratic behavior from me. Be forewarned.

    Reiteration of some points:
    1. Noise floor has nothing to do with harmonic distortion unless the noise is so high that it buries everything.
    2. Doubling FFT window size artificially lowers noise floor by 6db (did I get that right?) Google "FFT process gain". Jude likes running FFT window sizes with millions of points. I typically run 32kish or less.
    3. Shit 140db or 100db down doesn't matter. In many instances, these super tiny signals are the result of the environment and not the gear.
    4. Errors from transducers are gross. Uber measurement gear is nice, but not all at necessary.
    5. Beware of obfuscation and misrepresentation from Jude.
     
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  3. Dotard

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    I don't have a dog in this fight, but I have to say, every time jude posts a measurement update, it reads as very cringey to me. Like he has a giant chip on his shoulder and he is all at once actively trying to de-legitimatise everybody else and fill his own ego with hot air. He is not very subtle about it and it comes across as frankly a bit pathetic.

    I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice. The nice thing about people like this is that they tend to self destruct as they lose the forest for the trees and get caught up in petty maneuvers instead of just being chill and humble and presenting things in an honest way.

    To be honest his first few posts about his shiny new measurement rig got me very excited about having another point of reference for headphone measurements, and in only the span of a few short months he's lost all credibility and now I don't even check for his updates. People see through it.
     
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    I somehow get a feeling that the timely attempt to myth-bust HD800S THD measurements has more to do with the recently announced HD820... What if the attempt to clear the name for HD800S is actually a marketing strategy to fend off doubts about the new closed-back design variant of the HD800 family?
     
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    At -140 dB (in real terms) you are down to the level of inherent thermal noise on resistors of 1k ohm and less.
     
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    From Mshenay:

    Thanks for the candid updates and corrections. I had assumed the graph was just from a random site but... it isn't. The continuous negative attention towards that same community over and over still leaves me with some reservations, far less than before but still some. Just let them sling their mud. As you continue to improve the quality of what your posting here the quality of the work alone will speak for it self, I want people to come to Head Fi not because we tell them that the the DIY communities aren't "precise enough" but rather because here at Head Fi it's obvious that the quality or precision is that much better!

    Looking forward to the next Note with a few more HD 800S postings!

    Head, meet desk.
     
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    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    Sigh... @Mshenay was not a good fit here. I don't even remember who, why, how he got kicked.
     
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    I mean, he runs a site that purposely steers things to new bandwagons with ads catering to those bandwagons. He's argued with peopel on reddit about his business model, lied about perks he gets from the manufacturers, threatened employees of other companies for interacting with tthis site (hell, he got a guy fired at hifiman,) ect ect.

    He's just not a good man. He's like Dan @MrSpeakers: He's a business man, not a hobbyist. I will forever remember the quote "This is the most neckable headphone ever!" Blue Mofi review. AKA, the most uncomfortable headphone known to man.
     
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    Yeah, I read that earlier today and when I got to the "45 decibels lower" thing I had to read it several times in disbelief. Incredible.
     
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    Just as things were getting a little mundane, Little Jude once again supplies use with tons of comedy material. Sad. :p

    No really it’s sad what’s happened to HF. :(
     
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    It is very interesting, I feel as if Head-Fi has been pushing measurements in an attempt to compete with SBAF. Head Fi has been putting them on the home page more and it seems like it is becoming more frequent. Could Head-Fi be getting scared of losing members to SBAF? I think some head fi members are finally starting to see the clear bias of the site.
     
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    Or the fact you can't rely on a single damned review posted to have any reliable or factual information, or the pack mentality the specific product threads develop and eventually reason and reality go right out the window (*cough* Felix Elise Christmas Tree *cough*), or the censorship of any post that might harm sponsors (HIFiMan) let alone anything involving competing sites like SBAF, or the unchecked epeen-supremus fests that happen regularly, or the...
     
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    He ruined Beetlejuice for me. That is enough.
     
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    It’s a concerted effort to delegitimize the evidence based work of IF and SBAF. “LOOK AT MY BIG SHINY WILLY, IT’S BIGGER THAN THEIR’S. LISTEN TO MEEEEEEE!”

    When Tyll uncovered those issues with Focal and Audeze flagships it had to have hurt their bottom line. One may say that most people wouldn’t even be aware of it, only enthusiasts on forums. But enthusiasts are where buzz starts, and thus propagates outward to all other customers.

    Advertorial is not legal without disclosure, and I’m sure there are many strategies employed to skirt those laws. Without evidence of this sponsors will keep twiddling with his butthole to make his mouth sing to their tune (or maybe it’s the other way around?)

    These are the early stages of the Measurement Wars to come. It’s a shame that that affordable MiniDSP rig wasn’t better, making measurements more accessible could have helped combat this.
     
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  18. Lyander

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    Same sentiment, as the presence of easily accessible and affordable measurement gear would have gone a long way towards helping educate people in the hobby, at least those who're geeky enough to want to get that deep in the rabbit hole. As things stand, given HF's massive popularity there's bound to be a lot of people who take the big shiny GRAS at face value and take the word of Jud(as) as Gospel. Good for retailers, not so good for consumers who want their money to go to something that's actually worth their hard work and tears.

    SBAF should maybe throw together its own cheap-ass barebones measurement rig and sell it. $80 base rate with add-ons at higher tiers. It'd help fund the loaners etc, and hey, maybe advertise the not-secret-society and show people there are alternative forums to head-fi.


    P.S.
    As someone who barely clears 5'3": OUCH at all the short person jokes :))))

    Eh, you tall people will be the first to eat dirt when the sky falls.
     
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    I hadn't heard of the Mofi before, so I looked it up...Jesus H Christ, who thought that design was a good idea? It looks like some godawful hybrid of a medieval torture device and a piece of dental equipment.
     

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