Life after Yggdrasil: Watering the Ash

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  1. jexby

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    Exit stage left....
    having owned Utopia for about a year, would have never thought that statement was possible.
    what amp is involved?
     
  2. dubharmonic

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    This is with the MHA150. After some pad rolling, I found that using the Dekoni Audio Elite Velour pads gave results similar to the stock pads with a Feliks Euphoria.

    Time to get out the big box of pads again.
     
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    Unison usb is warmish and bloomy, have u tried Pi2Aes or something similar?
     
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    With my current headphone setup (EC Af, Verité O or C depending on mood) Pi2AES makes leading edges sharper and cleaner, decays more controlled. Unison won over another AES source with my older speaker system (Hegel H360, KEF Reference 1s). I suspect Pi2AES is a better match for this fast but slightly colored setup while Unison matched better the already sharp edges and neutrality of the old system.
     
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    Since I chose the AES route with my Yggdrasil it really shines. I will never go back to SPDIF coax or Gen5 USB and I do not feel the need to try Unison when I read between the lines.
    I wonder why the Yggdrasil Refined thread remains locked for so long (?).
     
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    To clarify, with stock pads, the Utopia isn't sounding thick with A2. The velour pads don't compliment A2 like they did with the slightly harsher, leaner A1.

    I didn't think I'd have the audio memory to identify differences after the upgrades, but with the Utopia they're easy to notice. I wish I wouldn't have waited so long.

    Still looking into Pi2AES.
     
  7. Truth above all

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    Look I’ve reed all your compartments, and I as aN owner of klimax ds1 and A Yggdrasil a2, can say this your either death or someone is paying you a lot of money for this post.

    how do u even compare the two they’re not even in the same ballpark, the linn klimax ds1 is a lot better sounding unit in every aspect like 70% better and in Audio it’s a lot .

    and you’ve even tried to compare it with DAVE?!

    highly unreliable.

    u just throw a lot of confusing words in too the post so people will not be able to discern from the real truth. some one should of said it a long time ago your full of xxx !
     
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    Instead of complaining, why don’t you do your own comparison and tell us the differences you hear? Saying an opinion sucks means nothing. Tell us why. Otherwise your post is a waste of space telling us nothing.
     
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    Like Bibi? ;)

    Who are you? We don't know you. You even didn't make an intro post in the new members thread. As someone who is Half-Israeli, your English is weak. Too bad the Cafes are closed ATM, it might be helpful to relax.
     
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    I can't imagine what it must feel like to have all your compartments reed.
     
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  12. Truth above all

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    That’s what you took from my post that I’m Israeli and my English/spelling is bad,
    You should ask your self if it really matters who I am.
    And try understanding that this guy, which is obviously worshiped by some of you, is tricking in to believing that a Dac costing 2399$ can compete with a dac costing 10 times that.
    Do you find it reasonable?
    But sure Laugh on my broken English or the country I live in.
    And I relaxed enough the espresso machines is still working.
     
  13. Truth above all

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    Your absolutely right.
    And I shell do so, but my English I a bit rusty cause I haven’t used it in a while.
    But I’ll do my best .
     
  14. Truth above all

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    the real trolls are the ones who fools you into believing their not.
    I’m not A hater but there are times I feel like there’s a genuine reason to be.
     
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    Have you reeded any compartments lately?
     
  16. Senorx12562

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    Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. Even assholes. Not to imply that you are one, as I don't know you. But it is still on the table. I have heard a lot of high-end gear that I thought sounded like shit, so your reliance upon price to evaluate gear is misplaced ime.
     
  17. Truth above all

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    Well Not everyone have some of the reviewed
    DACs against The Yggdrasil
    Could you please be more specific to what you’ve heard that is considered high end that sounds like shit?

    I’m not saying it’s not possible I’ve had my fair share of gear: things like Wadia 27ix , sthal-tek, dcs Paganini, Métronome c5,MSB analog, and the list goes on, heard the termi from denafips(great dac), Lavry gold, apogee DA16x, Apogee symphony, Lynx Hilo, chord Dave, Hugo 2, Hugo 2 TT, well and the list goes on, and although it’s true there some Dacs I thought was priced incorrectly, they all had their strong and weak suits I never heard something I thought of as a complete shit I imagine there is.

    Linn was never one of those companies and they didn’t survive the market for so long by being high end crap, you can fool some people some times but you can’t fool all the people all the time.

    that being said I don’t think this thread of life after Yggdrasil is logically possible for Yggdrasil to always come on top without any regard to what is up against, I am not saying that the Yggdrasil is a bad dac by any means cause surely pushes above it’s weight.

    I have both devices here and now and to be honest it’s not a fair compression for the Yggdrasil to be put in the same ring against the linn kds1.

    I promise to take the time and right my own review.

    I’m not an asshole just someone who suffered enough from a lot of the bullshit I’ve read over the years.

    sorry for the English haven’t used it in a while.

    you wanna hate me go right ahead, but open your mind, again comparing Yggdrasil to Dave or to the lkds1, o my god, give me a break.
     
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    I don't hate you, I am indifferent to you. And I wasn't referring just to dacs. I was speaking in very general terms, but the point is the same. I haven't heard the yggdrasil since 2014, but I have heard dacs from Total and Lampizator that I didn't think sounded as good as my lowly Gungnir Multibit with my decidedly mid-fi gear. These dacs are in the 10x Gungnir's price range you cited and I was unimpressed, even though they were in systems that cost at least 20x my system's cost. But I am also an asshole with my own opinions, so it says nothing about yours. But fwiw, my opinion is always based on sound, ease of use, etc., but without regard to cost except as it relates to value.

    I have no reason to believe that Linn makes anything but stellar gear, but I never assume that more expensive gear sounds better than cheaper gear, and that is all I was saying.
     
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    I can ignore your inability to participate in a civil discussion. I'm less willing to ignore your refusal to follow the conventions of this forum (introductory post is MANDATORY). That's not just an arbitrary requirement. By creating an informative introductory post you let us know 'where you are coming from' -- experience, equipment you're used to, musical preferences, preferred sound signature...a whole bunch of stuff which adds color to your posts.

    But here's the thing. You attacked a post from 3 years ago without providing any basis for those attacks other than that you think the poster is wrong. Try providing some useful information about WHY you think the Linn is 70% better than the Yggdrasil. Better tonality? More detail? PRAT? Impact? Stage? Something. Otherwise you are just an a-hole Troll -- which rhymes :)

    And, BTW, your first post would have provided the same information??? without being so offensive if it had read like this:
    The most important missing bit of information??? in your post is the whole '...and this is how I configured my system to provide a reasonable basis for comparing these two products'. Without that, your opinion is worthless.

    How about it? Care to actually add some value instead of just defecating on the conversation?
     
  20. ChaChaRealSmooth

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    Get off your high horse. No one here cares about your "credentials," whether it's in some degree you got from whatever university, or your attempts at validating your opinion by saying that you have experience with a lot of stuff that are ORFAS-levels of $$$$.

    And also, there are definitely companies that produce overpriced crap. Some people are just deaf.

    Comparative reviews are fair no matter the price point. In the end, it's a comparison made against a relative point and in case you haven't noticed, the point of the thread was to compare other DACs against Yggdrasil.

    It's clear to me that you haven't read the rules and read what SBAF is about, nor have you bothered to lurk around enough to understand what we hold as the standard of good sound. Coming out swinging and calling people "deaf" in your first post (even if it wasn't Torq), while trying to scramble any kind of meager credibility by saying, "oh but I have X DAC with Y amp and have heard blah blah blah," is going to get you nowhere here. Again, we don't care. None of the established members are established due to any kind of "credibility." I'll let you figure out what gave them credibility in the first place (it's the age of the internet, you should be smart enough to search for yourself and figure it out).

    Note that I am not saying that you can't have your own opinions, even if they run contrary to an established member. You're free to have those even if they might stir up the nest a bit. Heck, even the staff here have varying opinions. There is a way to present such opinions where you're not openly insulting people believe it or not.
     

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