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Lynx PCIe AES interfaces: AES16 and E22

Discussion in 'Digital: DACs, USB converters, decrapifiers' started by purr1n, Sep 8, 2016.

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  1. Clemmaster

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    @Marvey : the RN3 does have 8x AES outputs through the DB-25 breakout connector (TASCAM pinout).

    The RN16 features the Brooklyn II card (vs I) which adds support for AES-67 and 176kHz and a more conventional XLR AES output.
    It's a sleeker chassis, too.

    I'm hiding my RN3 under my bed, so the size/ugliness doesn't matter. You can always put it in a rack and place it vertically to hide it.
     
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    Oh, OK great. I want to be much more careful on what we spend our funds on. Too much crap out there. I figured we don't need the massive functionality of the D16.

    I don't care about the looks of the RN3, otherwise I'd transplant the parts into a billet aluminum chassis encrusted with jewels.
     
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    Yes, Dante will refuse to work if the packets leave the copper. No way around it...

    I should write a quick start guide to help people setting it up. It is not the easiest, especially if you skip the manual.
    Technically, everything can (and must) be done with Audinate's softwares (Dante Virtual Soundcard and Dante Controller).

    The Rednet softwares is just to update the firmware. My RN3 doesn't even show up in their software (tried on Win7, Win10 and Mac) o_O
     
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  4. purr1n

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    What is the part number of the breakout cable?
    Does RN3 price include the DVS drivers?
    Have you tried a wireless AP connected to the Ethernet jack to cheat?
     
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    Well f**k, I just got in contact with Lynx tech and apparently I cannot use the AES16e with my iMac even with the Thunderbolt expansion chassis cuz my iMac was bought in 2011 and has a Mini DisplayPort (which is not the same as Thunderbolt). I guess that leaves me with the options of getting a newer Mac, or ditch Mac altogether and go for PC, or the Focusrite RedNet D16. Until then I'm stuck with USB.

    Looking forward to a thorough comparison between AES16e and D16. One thing that gets me about the D16 is how expensive it is... for some it might be more expensive than their DAC.
     
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    I got this snake cable. Alternatively, you can easily make your own, once you source a good DB-25 connector.

    The RN3 includes a license for DVS. I believe it is transferable (for the loaner).

    I tried many ways to go WiFi, including a TP-Link Wifi to Ethernet adapter, but somehow Dante knows when it goes through Wifi and refuses to show the device in the controller so you can't stream audio to it.

    The good thing about the Rednet is that they support Automatic Private IP Addressing (169.254.x.x), which means you don't need to configure anything on the network. Just dedicate a NIC to the Rednet and connect them with a >CAT5 cable and they will see each other (don't use static IP).

    That's when you connect the Rednet to your home network that things can get troublesome. Audinate clearly recommend using a managed switch to set it up properly.
    I had all sorts of issues with my home router when the RN3 was on it. I even bought a new Asus dual core Router because the old Asus I had was saturated (only 32MB RAM).

    Again, none of this is necessary if you can dedicate a network adapter to the Rednet and do a direct connection.
    This can be achieved with a dedicated Ethernet PCI-E card (preferably intel), or a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter (for Mac). It's ~$40.
     
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    I bought a mac mini 2015 for ~380 which has dual thunderbolt 2. I actually bought it when I tried the Atikio, for the Thunderbolt 2.
    I ended up keeping it and use a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter for the Rednet. It's great. Thunderbolt is just great.
     
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    Is there anyone with the RedNet who can get one to Marv for a review so we don't have to spend funds on it? My preference is for validation, not to have a unit owned by SBAF if we can avoid it. Since respected members love the thing, we need to get a review on record.

    To be clear, my personal intent is to make sure there's a sane place to talk about computer audio on the internet without the same 12 people masturbating over the latest PPA card along with their DSD collections. I don't want to bankrupt SBAF to try out everything, though.
     
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    Yeah, I was wondering about those fiber cables. Interesting thought for sure.

    I am interested in the Rednet vs Lynx shootout if Marv gets one. I just ordered a bunch of caps and resistors and rectifiers and crap to build a LPS for the Lynx. Rednet doesn't do auto rate selection? I find it's "nice to have" feature with Audirvana using the Lynx.
     
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    The RedNet thing already seems like a clusterfuck. Dante Virtual Soundcard driver, Dante Controller router, Thunderport->Ethernet gizmo, DB25 breakout cable, smart switches with VLAN and QoS capability, etc.

    The Force tells me the RedNet may sound good, but different, not better than the Lynx stuff, considering the Lynx stuff already seems comparable to my best spinners. (They all have their unique sound signatures.)
     
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    And there's convenience factor with the Lynx when you use Audirvana or the like: auto rate selection. If you randomize your library and have a mixture of 44.1 and 48k tracks, for example, then with Rednet you'll be needing to manually change each time you land on a different track.
     
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    I'd rather get an E22 and package it in a box ready to go for the loaner program. The Lynx took me two minutes to get up and running, and this included downloading the drivers.
     
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    By box, you mean shipping box? Or external PCI-E chassis?
     
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    Chassis for you mac guys. I'd actually prefer this.
     
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    Just gonna leave this out there: I found out that the Rednet 3 uses two balanced power supplies and a very high voltage supply. Five rails total.
     
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    It was easy on Windows. I don't know what I fucked up, but I spent an hour trying to get it working on Linux before I gave up. I'll try again later. I dislike running windows because I like my music box to be headless. I haven't found a network remote for jriver that I like and works well on mobile. Maybe things have changed.
     
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    You want this: https://amzn.com/B00LTAUTHE

    It comes with a cheap SMPS. I didn't think the Teddy Pardo improved very much on it, though. I actually never really like the TP for the Chord Qute. I'm wondering if they're fast enough for digital devices?
    You will want to disconnect the FAN when you put the Lynx in, it's not needed.

    If you want galvanic isolation, add this: https://amzn.com/B00KTIY5Y0
     
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    maybe that explains the voluptuous size of rednet aka big bertha
     
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    The Rednet is super lightweight. There's nothing inside.
     
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    @Marvey can use as much or as little of my rig to review for SBAF.
     
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