Milos Orpheus Clones

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  1. Ali-Pacha

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    Plastic-team rip-Rizent :punk:

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  2. TwoEars

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    That's some very impressive FR and CSD graphs.

    Are the drivers home made or taken from another headphone?

    Any comment on soundstage?
     
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  3. DigMe

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    Pretty sure there were multiple photos in the meet thread.
     
  4. ultrabike

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    Unlike most every other random Stax, these do not seem to reproduce the sound of plastic. So plastic-team appears to be anti-plastic at the core of their hearts.

    Drivers are fully and entirely home made.

    I took very few photos this time. My iPhone 4s is crap by today's phone standards, so let's not even go to camera quality pictures there. But here is what I got regarding these:


    "The One Can to Rule Them All" out of the Blue Hawaii

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    @sorrodje amp that I used to measure them at the meet and have a brief listen, along with the Dr. Milostein himself:

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    Yep. I saw an early one, with just the glimpse of headband, but caught up with quite a few others after that.
     
  6. spoony

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    Let's not forget the main resource on this kind of thing for those who are DIY inclined. I'm pretty sure everyone who has tried their hand at building their own electrostats has a lot to thank Wachara C for.
     
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    Do I need to start looking at estat amps now?
     
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    This made me moist.
     
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    OK, so I have been around a few extreme-headphone people, at least on the internet, for a while now, but I still find it absolutely incredible and amazing that anyone would DIY something like this. And even more so that they would do so and succeed.

    Incredible. Amazing.

    :bow: :bow: :bow:
     
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    Following this with great interest. I have the HE90 and SR009 with the DIYT2.
     
  11. Ali-Pacha

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    Obviously I'm in line for the first productions units |\/|

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    Congrats @Ali-Pacha , you're #367 on the waiting list :p
     
  13. sorrodje

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    My own set of measurements :) . as usual , take this with a grain of salt. Especially Distorsion. it's not professionnal stuff made in perfect environment with accurate and sensitive mics .

    For The Record : Original HE90 "Orpheus" Measurements here : http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/sennheiser-he90-orpheus.3176/


    FR

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    FR Right & Left

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    FR HE90 vs clone

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    Disto Left

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    Disto Right

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    CSD Left

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    CSD Right

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    Spectro Left

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    Spectro Right

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    Impressions :

    @n3rdling let me borrow his Clone during a couple of days. I heard it at "home" with my SRX+/ GOv2 /Laptop rig. I had my Utopia and my HE60 as benchmarks. I have heard and measured the genuine HE90 a few days before.

    Considering it's an orpheus Clone, i was expecting the same sound right ? I listened to it during a few minutes and honestly i coudln't believe what I was listening to. 3 hours later, i was convinced : Milos did not only recreate the original orpheus or at least the same kind of sound but he achieved to improve it. I told him before I measure " Man , your headphone has a much better slam and impact that the Orpheus, especially in the bass" so measurements didn't surprise me much.

    Actually , I honestly think Milos Clone is the best headphone I heard to date and I think I already listened to all modern flagships, owned most amongst a lot of other headphones. I'd say the only headphones I never heard are the SR-Omega, all Jeckin floats , Sony Qualia and R10, Taket H2 and Grado HP1000.

    But from all headphones I listened to , the Clone is the best. I'm not saying it bests all headphones for all characteristics but it's the best overall. Why ?

    First of all , this thing is the neutrality king. Everything you'll compare will sound colored. I think the very even FR is the key point there. Especially in the mids. Maybe a few people will hear it at colored but I don't . The original Orpheus will sound more mid centric for example. HE60 and Utopia sounds brightish and colored compared to this Orpheus Clone.

    The second key point is clarity and transparency. Combined with the neutral FR, the clarity of this headphones allow me to hear the music with a strong feeling of transparency. As if the headphone itself had disappeared. Some other headphones can come close to that goal but the Clone is the best. hands down. Orpheus is beaten as well.

    I see some you say "Meh. Another stat for stat fans". and I see the point buuuut. the Bass slam and body here is there . Not as good and visceral than the best dynamics and planars but still. The Clone offer more Bass impact and extension than any Other Stat I heard ( I didn't hear the SR-Omega) . Think HEK Bass but more textured, with faster transients and maybe more slam. THe gap with the original HE90 is huge there.

    The last impressive point is the Staging. My fav' thus far have always been my HD800 and my HE60 . they're different ( HD800 is more holographic but somewhat conveys a cinemascope effect whereas the HE60 offer a more focused and forward presentation but with a nice feeling of borderless infinite staging. The HE90 beated the two in the sense the stage is bigger and deeper than the HE60 but still with the same kind of natural presentation more natural presentation than the HD800 at least. The Clone offer the same staging than the HE90 imo. A bit tiny bit distant "a la HD800" and for my tastes it's absolutely perfect but I can see people who likes a more "in your face sound" can make like it less than I do.

    Finally , HE90 and HD800 share in my opinion a common trait. a weight , a "grandeur" ,something that transcend headphones in my opinion. and the Clone still offers that. My HE60 for example lacks of this. As good as it is ,it sounds a bit "small" whereas the Clone , the Orpheus and the HD800 are more impressive. I think it's a mix of Presentation and FR or something. the HEK despites the softness offered that kind of feeling as well. Not the Utopia for example.

    I think this headphone nails it on the head for me. :)

    THe only "issue" I heard : It's still a Stat and does not offer the visceral slam of very best orthos nor the projection of sound of Dynamics but from any stats I heard or own , it's the one that competes the best on this point. It still sounds a tiny bit "light" though. I couldn't evaluate the resolution. Because it"s a tough one for my flawed ears and I hadn't my Resolution master for comparison so I prefer to shut up on that point.

    That's is IMO the true best headphone in the world today. Period. @Tyll Hertsens should have one, review it and use it as benchmark for all kilobucks so called totl headphones.
     
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  14. Serious

    Serious Inquisitive Frequency Response Plot

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    Interesting. Looks like 3kHz may be a bit forward. Going off old memory I already thought the original Orpheus sounded a little forward at 3kHz. 2kHz dip may be a bit sudden as it's flat to almost 1.3kHz or so. Did it have that HD600 type upper midrange bump?
     
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    No. I'm allergic to HD600's 3 khz and didn't notice any hardness here.
     
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    @sorrodje

    I could make love to that FR all night long. And then you say that it has bass slam and sound stage.

    And then I know that you and me have pretty similar taste, we both love the modded HD800 and DNA etc.

    For my personally - this is approaching HF-levels of hype right now. Why don't you say something bad about it :p
     
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    Okay. There's only one pair that I know of.
     
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    And money can't buy it :p
     
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    Why do I get the feeling you're not actually trying to help :cool:

    But seriously - this is excellent news for Mr @n3rdling. You hear me there Mr N3rd? You're on to something.
     
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    He has something. He just needs to use his alchemist powars and transform it from unobtanium to obtaium.
     

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