Discussion in 'General Audio Discussion' started by Woland, Apr 15, 2021.
Huge balls you have for risking getting doxxed and disappeared (the ninja bans).
I couldn't resist and glanced at the ASR thread(s). It appears from my skimming that Amir's main beef with @GoldenOne is this post upthread here on SBAF: https://www.superbestaudiofriends.o...-technical-analysis.10886/page-10#post-345968
Let's be fair here. That post did not exactly take the high ground in the dispute. While it was taking about WMA, it wasn't a big deal. The screenshot from the court documents, fine. But when it drifted into speculation about the nature of the Madrona business, that wasn't cool. It does not justify Amir's own shitty behavior, but I do understand why he is pissed off about that specific post.
I am learning all this internet-age vocabulary here lol. I assume that this tactic is similar to the silent treatment that my wife gives me where I am left to wonder what I did exactly. The ultimate purpose of this tactic is to get the target to confess to the crimes that the interrogator may not even be aware of.
At the risk of sounding like a narcissist, if they start losing neutral people like me, it is ASR's loss ultimately.
Then shit on his face. I have never had a good word to say about Amir, but I didn't expect him to do this.
Silent bans are kinda weak. At least be upfront about it.
The speculation maybe went a bit too far, granted, though GoldenSound did provide his reasoning for his comments and acknowledged which bits lacked direct evidence, and apologized for this.
There is also a huge difference between a public figure/industry figure having his public business associations examined, and publicly broadcasting a private individual's personal information when they specifically and explicitly said not to / did not consent to it on that platform, and that he was happy to disclose it directly to those who ask. Amir doxxed him anyway fully knowing he did not consent, and even against his own forum rules.
I even told him why someone may wish to remain private, which he disregarded anyway. Funnily enough he mentions "connections to the relevant parties" in that latter post as one of his justifications for wanting his real name, despite taking offense to having his own examined as an industry figure when he seemed strangely reluctant to acknowledge MQA's misleading claims.
Just want to be clear that yes, my comments in the SBAF post did go too far and whilst there are plenty of criticisms I have of Amir that I 100% stand by, the stuff about his business did go too far. I apologised in the thread, and I offered to remove the comments if Amir wanted me to do so. (I didn't want to just remove them straight away cause I assumed that people would think I was trying to "hide" it or something which I am not). He didn't respond to that and instead moved on to attacking something else.
So I'll leave them up for now, as well as the apology on ASR and here. Because that's what SHOULD happen when something is done wrong. Apologise, admit when something was wrong, and move on. Playing the "he started it" or "well I said X but he said Y so..." game helps no one.
But as others have mentioned, there is a BIG difference between criticising a business that has what can be seen as questionable behaviour especially when it comes to receiving large amounts of what is effectively taxpayer contribution, vs posting the information of a single person who has explicitly said they don't want their info broadcast.
I offered to give Amir my real name if he was concerned about potential affiliations or something. Him posting my info publicly is of no use to anyone, offers nothing constructive, and I cannot see any justification for it.
He can use the "but it's out there if you look for it" excuse all he likes. But just because something CAN be found, doesn't mean that it's not completely stepping over the line to broadcast it in a very public manner.
Also, in the meantime, if anyone can point me to this "Blog" I supposedly have I'd be grateful.
My guess: It's a typical dehumanization tactic to refuse to acknowledge people you dislike by their requested name - instead referring to them in disdainful terms, in this case "some blogger," "some subjectivist," etc, which is something I notice him do a lot when he is trying to implicitly lower someone's credibility. After all he did say he has absolutely zero respect for you, and as time went on he became increasingly unhinged and outwardly hostile towards you.
Otherwise we have to go with his own explanation that somehow the name "GoldenSound / GoldenOne" is too much for an industry expert to remember: "I can never remember his bloody alias so decided to use his real first name."
Double standards. ASR sure didn't have a problem, at least not initially, when Verum guy was spouting racist nonsense because they were "outside" of ASR.
I’ve noticed this too. The repeated mistyping of the username, constant referrals to GoldenOne as a “subjectivist”, it all smacks of trying to dehumanize and create an “us vs them” mentality. The doxxing is just an escalation of the pattern of disrespect. And shows how desperate Amir is to discredit GoldenOne, because he knows GO’s arguments have merit and a lot of members on ASR have not been convinced by bullshit like perceptually lossless.
Rather than "remove", consider simply editing the bottom of the post with a statement and possibly link to the apology. That way, anyone reading it now would immediately see the apology/retraction in context with the entire conversation. It also eliminates the idea that you're "trying to hide" anything.
And your link gives the "Oops, thread not found" error on their site.
Hope someone took a lot of screenshots.
It's all simple bullying and manipulation technique used by certain kinds of managers. If it hasn't happened yet, damning with faint praise will be on the agenda
Turds and Nerds... nerds write informative error messages. Turds think error messages have to be for children.
Its still there
I was the one who linked to the Twitter post, and I debated whether to or not. However, I do think there’s a “live by the sword, die by the sword” element to Amir leaning on his name and his past. If you want the benefit of that, you get the criticism that comes with it, too.
As a former journalist, I think people misuse “doxxing” a lot. When someone uses their real name, stuff that’s public record is just that: Public. Amir wanted the PPP money. Therefore, people can see it. He wanted (for some reason) to make ASR an LLC using his home (?) address. Therefore, people can see it.
Doxxing is purposely seeking out and exposing the real identity of people who want to make it private.
Yeah, the fact that Madrona got PPP money and claimed that it saved a certain number of jobs is fair game in terms of public record. But it’s not fair to speculate that it’s bogus. If it’s bogus, one hopes the government or a local journalist is investigating it. But we have no idea what’s true or not without actual investigation.
You are right, I cannot seem to find the followup thread which explained why GO was banned. The original one (volunteer) is still there but the one containing the “joke” that I managed to spoil by “taking things too seriously” has been totally nuked. What a shame, I actually put some effort in writing those responses.
Jesus, the politics of running a site with the intent of keeping audio "FUN FUN FUN" must be truly hellish.
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