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Discussion in 'Computer Audiophile: Software, Configs, Tools' started by AllanMarcus, Jul 3, 2016.

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    It's the UI, the networking/RAAT, the "sit back and let us do the smart digital chain thing for you", the music library organization that works for most (but not all of course) - it's all these things put together that Roon does that make it a good product. For me, I always point to the intuitive and "it just works" DSP integration. Sure if you are a "power user" level DSP player you can find plenty to complain about (e.g. that stupid slider for global level), but for most it just works.
     
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    Conversely, I don't understand what you're saying should happen. If you've added an album or song to your library, it shows up in Roon. If you favorited an artist in Tidal, it should... automatically add every single album they've done to your Roon library? That seems pretty wild and messy.
     
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    I used interface too narrowly. I agree with what you are saying. It is a package of services that takes content from a variety of sources and provides a uniform UI and experience to apply to a variety of hardware platforms. It prevents all of these content and hardware companies from having to "re-invent the wheel" and gives the job to a company that does wheels for a living. We can argue about whether they are any good at it, but as I see it, they saw a need and are attempting to fill it. I'm pleased that they did.
     
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    I hope Roon will never do something like that.
    That "feature" would make it entirely unusable for something like classical music. Pick Rostropovich and get 200 of those, 170 you probably do not need. Now you have a job to do: remove mono from "Melodia", remove re-issues etc..
     
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    Roon manages a collection of albums. Some of those are "real," stored in your local file systems, some of those are "virtual," stored and streamed from Tidal or Qobuz. Albums link to other objects -- composers, performers, compositions, labels, ... Roon has never supported, and I doubt it will ever support, non-album objects that are not linked to an album object in the user's Roon library. You may not like it, but it is entirely consistent. Roon was not designed to be a mere veneer on Tidal or any other external service. It baffles me that anyone would get angry at a design decision for a product they are considering. Heck, there's lots of furniture out there that seems ugly or wrongly designed to me. So, I don't buy it. End of story.
     
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    Tidal artist favorites are just that, it doesn’t automatically add albums to your collection any more than favoriting a playlist adds those artists or albums. Roon seems built around an album-centric music collection type interface but that concept doesn’t work as well for a streaming service (to be fair I don’t think anyone has really nailed a great streaming service interface).
     
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    People seem to rave about Spotify, but I’ve never used it (no lossless tier).
     
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    Lossless doesn't matter in your car!

    Also 320kbps Ogg is not amazing but good enough to tell if you like the album enough to buy it.
     
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    "Lossless Spotify" = using the free tier for discovery, then buying from Bandcamp (or on CD).
     
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    Spotify has an edge in user content (e.g. sharing playlists) because of the free tier, and is trying to corner podcasting, but the interface to music is more or less the same thing as everyone else.

    Figuring out how to elegantly connect one person to a catalog of 50M or whatever tracks isn’t an easy problem to solve and I don’t know if it’s even possible. How satisfied I am with a music service depends on how adroitly they surface interesting new music to listen to and whether their catalog contains music I want to hear that I discover by other means. I think the next step is anticipating what you want to hear by context, e.g. what you want to hear at any moment is conditioned on what else you’re doing, where you are, who you’re with, etc., but that means giving up privacy.
     
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    I have only one wishlist for Roon
    Ability to stream my music stored in Roon server when I'm outside using Roon app
     
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    Well it seems Roon has forgiven me for cancelling my trial umpteen years ago. It took about 10 minutes to reaffirm that I am way too geeky to have some prettified UI obscure my collection for me. Oh well, it was worth a shot, but (for me) certainly not worth the money. Not even close.
     
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    There's nothing wrong with being an outlier, nor any need to demean those who use Roon differently as "fanboys." Have you considered that the negativity you have been bringing to this discussion washes back onto you?
     
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    Aw come on I’m just trying to make roon better and work for me. That’s it. From my point of view what they’re doing is completely senseless and has big consequences for me. That’s it. So it’s negative. Some things are.
     
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    Shouting against injustice is good, and if well organized can have an effect. Shouting against software that does not meet our desires is ridiculous, and backfires.
     
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    I’m not shouting chill buddy I’m sick of you disliking posts. I was trying to rally people outside the roon core fan base on the roon forum who are responding and for whom roon’s current system works for. roon watches the feature request forums so the roon fanboys from the roon forums all saying it’s fine how it is isn’t a real representation of the users out there.
     
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    I'm sure they will add this feature in future as when Roon was created it was for our local files. Now with streaming services added they will definitely enhance it with these features. However till the time this feature is not implemented you can add your favourite album of an artist in your library and then the artist will show up. Yes, roon is not perfect but one of the important feature of Roon is zone creation and ability to play different files for different zones. Also with Roon we can run powerful DSP and stream qobuz or Tidal on our iphone with sound tailored to our need. I always wanted to EQ while streaming from Qobuz in my iphone and Roon has given me that ability. So there are some negetive but good number of positive aspects as well for Roon users. However based on our use case Roon may be hit or a miss.
     
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    I think that discussion becomes interesting in the context if Roon should be adding features from the streaming platforms they integrate because just because for example Tidal has it.
    In your post you are touching on all important points why Roon is worth paying for.
    There are some things I do not like about Roon but they are very open in engaging with their users about new features and development plans. Even if it puts them is a hard place. Danny suffered through pages and pages of abuse for his dedication to MQA but he was engaged and responding to criticism.
    I also like their approach to user requests which is very selective and focused on core functions. There are many good reasons for this approach, here is just one of them:
    Tidal engine is running on Tidal servers, I do not care what they are doing. Roon core is running on my computer and it is very easy to turn an efficient, useful software into a fat, unusable bloatware by adding everything users "ask" for. Look at some browsers.

    So why would they add this particular "feature"?
    I went to my free Spotify account and did a search for Louis Armstrong, it was few minutes ago and I am still scrolling through the search results (albums). So if Armstrong was my favorite artist on Tidal, do I need Roon to start adding 1500 of Satchmo albums to my library and start cataloging them, so I can later patiently get rid of 1450 of them?
    Even cataloging this would turn Roon core into a brick for 10 minutes.
    At the center of of Roon library management is an album. Some people like that, some do not, I like that very much, it reflects my way of adding and buying music. That's pretty much it.

    I read your post in on Roon forum. Not much support for adding this feature. So you called them fanboys and now your are
    implying that our are speaking for a silent majority. Really?
     

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