Schiit Aegir Power Amp Impressions

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  1. Victor

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    Was anybody able to a/b the Vidar and Aegir on LS50's? I read some advice earlier that a single Aegir might not be enough for the LS50's? They look mighty attractive.
     
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    I would prob take the money you'd spend on more amps and get better transducers. Go cheap/good enough until then.
     
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    Should be the same. Instead of one channel powering the left and another powering the right, now we have one channel powering one leg of the balanced differential signal, and the other channel for the other half of the balanced.
     
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    It'll be nice to get impressions from folks with low impedance speakers...like 87-90 4 ohm...more common I think.
     
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    I second @msommers thought. I've had my eyes on a pair of the newer JBL L100 Classics and they are 90dB 4 Ohm. Was hoping that a pair of Aegirs would be the bees knees paired with them.
     
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    My feeling is Aegir for anything 90db and up. (Or monoblocks for 85db and up). It's significantly better than Vidar, which was already on par with the $1500-$2500 power amps typically sold on say Audio Advisor or Crutchfield.

    With Vidar, an argument can be made against it with the use class AB pro audio power amps. The problem is that class AB pro audio power amps are hard to find and pro audio amps have loud fans and footprints not suitable for home use. And Vidar does edge them out a bit anyway.

    Monoblocks is a no brainer. In this configuration, we start to get Vidar (x1) bass control and grip, plus all the other wonderful stuff Vidar can't do.

    In monoblock configuration, there is a ton of gain with the JBL 4698s (98-100db efficiency). 9 to 10 on the volume knob (passive pre) is already louder than typical volume levels for most people. A speaker that is 90db efficient would likely be easier to deal with in terms of volume control. And we will still be under the first watt anyway.

    The JBL 4698b has 4-ohm woofers. I thought I should mention this.
     
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    Being a huge advocate or horns myself, I can highly recommend the Aegir. The downside of horns is FR irregularities that result in a raw sound, harsh vocals in the upper range, honky upper mids, maybe even excess brightness.

    The personality of the Aegir, being on the more delicate side (not overly so) should mate well with the Heresy. The evident bass (but without excess warmth) should mate well with the Heresy's 12" sealed woofers which do roll off a bit more than ported designs. However, I would recommend a cheap sub, like the HSU ST series. (I'm just keeping it real).

    The last few factors will be positioning of speakers from the wall and toe in for proper low and high response respectively. Maybe DAC or source synergies later.

    As far as preamps, I am using a JBL nano patch passive. It will work as both a SE or balanced control. I'm kind of a purist and see no point with putting a tube headamp into the chain.

    The Aegir was made for stuff like the Klipsch. Why do you think I asked Jason (so the story goes) to make a Class A Continuity version of the Vidar? It was pure selfish reasons.
     
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    I just ordered 1 Aegir for my Heresy III 's ! I should get 107 dB RMS and 119 dB peak @6 feet
     
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    @purr1n that last comment was VERY helpful. If you all with Klipsch speakers could post your impressions of this pairing with the Heresy III (or Forte III) after you've had the pair for a while, I would appreciate it. I've got a broken horn in one of my KLF-20s, attempts to repair haven't lasted long, Klipsch does not have replacement horns, and so I have been on a slow hunt for a replacement system. If this amp pairs well with the Heresy III (or again, Forte III), that will help in making a decision what gear to buy next.
     
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    Any Aegir users in the NYC area interested in doing a comparison? We could do a little minimeet at my place, compare against First Watt F3 and Allnic A6000.
     
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    Talk to Bob Crites at Critesspeakers.com for replacement parts. For Klipsch owners, he is the go to guy for xovers, upgrade parts, short of DIYing your own.
     
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    I’ve got my little Vandy 1Cis (6.8 ohm, 90db) in a 10x12 room with a single Aegir and my pre dial is on maybe 11. I’d love to find a way to run Aegir monos but I’d probably blow over in my chair.
     
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    What pre?
     
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    Using Aficionado’s SE outs at the moment ... sorting through a few options.
     
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    This with MB Gungnir would be quite on the limit of their power, if not clipping already with hotter content.
     
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    I think the Allnic would beat it. If the EC STjr had x4 parallel tubes, the Aegir monoblocks wouldn't be as "different" or as close.

    The F3 has a 10k input impedance which might make running a passive preamp difficult.
     
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    6.8-8.0 ohm, but yeah on paper I agree. Subjectively, I think I’m right on the edge.
     
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    Just use passive preamp or no-gain active preamp.

    As monoblocks fed by Gungnir, playing Alanis Unplugged, I'm getting 83dbSPL (slow response on Ratshack SPL meter) with the volume knob on the JBL Nano patch set at 9 o'clock. This is with 98db speakers (the literature says 100db, but they fudge the specs a bit). So yes, I can see the monoblocks being problematic. 83dbSPL may be too loud for most people or too unnerving with the volume knob at only 9 o'clock because 100dbSPL isn't too far of a turn away.

    As far as noise at these high gain levels, I can hear buzzing at the tweeters when I put my ear 4" away from the tweeter. Any farther, and I hear no noise. Note that is normal for speakers. I know some noob dweeb is gonna put his ear to the tweeter and bitch about it being not quiet enough.

    As an aside, I've already noticed a few randos spouting similar kinds of nonsense: "I cranked up the volume of my headphone amp and I can hear noise. My other amp doesn't do this. " To which, the standard reply should be "No shit Sherlock. What's the gain? When was the last time you listened to music with the volume anywhere near full clockwise? If never, then don't worry about it."
     
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    Try contacting Klipsch, I know as recently as a few years ago you could still buy replacement horn lens for $25.00. Cracking wear the drivers attaches is very common for that model.
     
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    Aegir it is then, thank you. I plan on pairing the Aegir with a Modi Multibit (Don't have the room for my Yggdrasil A2 where my speakers are located. Hoping to have a larger space for audio stuff in the near future.) and a Saga (JBL Nano Patch is nice and cheap, but I would like a remote).

    Looks like the HSU ST series is no more. They have the VTF or ULS models now:
    http://www.hsuresearch.com/subwoofers.html
     
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