Schiit Bifrost 2

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  1. Stuff Jones

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    I don't listen for or hear soundstage particularly well so I can't give a good response to your first question. The only thing that really stood out for me about stage is how much more accurate BF2 was. You can pick out where each instrument is.

    Bass extension and impact on BF2 is much better than with Modi 3. I'm not sure if its bleed or not, but sometimes tracks with a lot going on in the mid bass/ lower mids can sound a bit congested. I didn't compare this specifically with the Modi 3 so it might not be DAC specific.

    I can't remember an exact track but it was acoustic guitar. The Modi 3 attack is a bit sharper so the snap is a little more... snap like.
     
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    I agree with this. I spent the weekend swapping between Modi 3, Modi Multibit rev. B, and Bifrost 2, and acoustic guitar tends to highlight the differences between the DACs. Modi 3 has more snap, but tonally it's tilted just a hair forward. Bifrost 2 can be a little honeyed to the point where it's not entirely easy to tell whether they're using steel strings, especially when there are other things going on. Modi Multibit is almost squarely in between and IMHO is the most neutral for acoustic guitar.
     
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    I did some more listening to Eitr feeding BF2 and I concur that it's holding back the performance compared to Unison. I actually prefer the tonality of the Eitr mids (vocals sound a bit more full), but all the improvements I heard compared to Modi Multibit v2 fed by Eitr are reduced by about half. And bass punch is also not there. So it's back to RPi > Unison we go.

    As an aside, I couldn't get BF2 USB to work with my Samsung S10e using the OTG dongle that came with it (works fine feeding ZX300), but my A8 (2016) going through a different OTG cable worked fine. I stuck a really cheap USB current meter inline and it showed about 90mA being drawn from the phone.

    I also did more listening to BF2 feeding MCTH > Clears. Still sounds better than Eitr > Modi Multibit, but not nearly as engaging as feeding NBM. Guess either the NBM scales better, or there's some synergy going on with the Russkie-Yankie alliance.

    Edit: Forgot to mention Eitr has grayground, Unison has blackground.
     
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    Hi to the community – I am a fresh Rando, I’ve been reading and not sharing much. At the time, I have acquired a Schiit Bifrost 2 some days ago. My experience with Schiit audio regarding DACs has only been related to the Modi range. I thought it was a great price for something that improves most consumer-available CD/DVD/Blu-Ray units, and PC native audio output. However, I derailed to try other things on the way, moving up, as I didn’t quite liked Modi Multibit when Compared to the one DAC I started to use as my personal reference, which was the R2R-11 from Audio GD. The R2R-11 replaced the Chord Mojo I had. Bifrost 1 multibit was not of my interest as it was closer to the Modi than it was to the Gungnir.

    Anyhow, I was pondering whether to get an Audio GD R2R R1 or a Denafrips Ares II. Got the savings up there because I need a DAC with 2 outputs (didn’t feel like upgrading per-se, just needed 2 outputs), and just when I was about to decide, the Sol came up. I went in for the Sol, and there was the Bifrost 2, which had a lot of great comments, contained higher tier tech, and had 2 outputs! Decided to add one to the cart, give it a go and see if I return it or keep it, thus here I am.

    Before I move forward, I will quickly summarize the gear I am using and tell about something that really caught my attention. I have not used yet headphones, I rarely do to listen to music:


    Transport: Pioneer Elite DV79AVI (Coax Output)

    DAC into ->

    Buffer (Optional): [Unbalanced] iFi iTube2
    Preamplifier: Schiit Freya+
    Amplifiers: Yamaha M-45 (HF) / Yamaha MX-1 (LF)
    Speakers: Tannoy Precision 6.2.
    Interconnects: All unbalanced are Shielded 20g 100% copper coaxial wire. Balanced cables are Monoprice premium.
    Speaker Wire: Wireworld Luna 8


    Now, thankfully I have my speakers bi-amped. Why? Because the Bifrost came first as very thin sounding with a lot of detail retrieval. I could not hear any of the weightier/punchier mid-bass everyone was speaking about compared to the R2R-11! SOOO much less bass, so much less warmth regardless of how better it was at everything. However, this is a tricky thing. What tipped me out on this is the following, the singers sounded younger. I am unsure if you ever have had that experience, but singer voices sound shoutier and livelier, thus younger. I decreased the volume/energy for the tweeters as it once happened with a livelier (Focal) speaker in the treble region I had at home. Bingo! The sound came to be much warmer, nicer, balanced, and midrange gained proper weight. Problem? So in brief, I had to revert to another slipmat for Vinyl. Rubber/Cork compound sounds dull now and I did not want to increase/decrease the volume on the HF changing between sources, so now I went back to Acrylic+Paper as slipmat to have a livelier HF and balance the diminish on the Gain on the HF amp. Weird, isn’t it?

    Now – If I could not fix that tone issue I would have most likely returned the Bifrost, and would’ve thought of it as a very clear, detailed, and thin sounding DAC. Not analytical, smooth, but cold and lacking of body and weight. This only means assuming the Bifrost is neutral that the R2R-11 has a Dark/Veiled character with plenty of bass. Never noticed on the Headphones as I use Open Back headphones and they sound just right with the amount of Bass the Audio GD puts out. Thankfully so, I could balance the gain and here I go.

    I will break it into sections, from bottom end to highs – All this listening using balanced outs.

    Bass: In brief, I believe this DAC is definitely Hi-Fi. Every time I heard better gear than mine all I thought was that the weakness on my system was the bass speed and it might have been related to lack of treatment or bass absorption, or maybe the need for better speakers? – Well, not anymore (laughing because Sol solved that too for the analogue part, ha!) It has the same bass extension as the R2R-11, but it does it in a very different way. The bass is a lot more controlled, being more insightful on texture. Membranes are incredibly palpable, and the size of drums does not come as a big wave of muddy energy, but it comes extremely clear allowing to appreciate how it develops around you and extends from the impact of the mallet and into the room. With Electronic music, it has plenty of Punch, and it makes a dry, agile, but resides behind the speakers. It doesn’t rattle the Ottoman anymore. Mid-bass is tuneful and I prefer it better as it packs a tighter punch. Audio GD is softer there. I do not think I need to change anything really now. Amazing improvement there.
    Midrange: DAC to DAC, the midrange is still sweeter, less intrusive, and more intimate on the R2R-11. It resides behind the speakers. However, it’s certainly clearer on the Bifrost 2. I am not a native English speaker, so some songs I do have trouble understanding the lyrics without reading. Bifrost makes it certainly more discernible. However, the centre image is not as sharp as it is with the R2R-11. It’s somewhat wider. I might try repositioning the speakers at a later time to achieve a bit narrower image as it made it wider, and voice doesn’t have the size \as that of a person standing in front of me singing (I will talk about as to why I have not tried this later down). Guitars and Voices sound a bit shoutier still. It has a lot of energy on the midrange compared to the R2R-11 and Vinyl. This makes the voice sound very forward, as it does for guitars plucking strings, and snares. I would not call this DAC warm, but neutral. This and the lack of heft on the bottom end translates on a shallower depth and a more forward presentation compared to the R2R-11. However, timbre and tone are now fine, piano and strings sound just lovely, voice sound very clear, and the little variations of volume and raspiness sound incredible palpable. Great micro-dynamics.
    Highs: As per the high frequencies, the best part of the whole bunch (I wish it had a bit fuller bottom, but I am extremely happy with the improved detail!). It’s different than the R2R again, but here is the thing. The R2R sounds astounding mixed with the iFi iTube2 Buffer, but on its own is a bit edgy. Now, the Bifrost needs no help from any buffer to sound smooth, and it remains detailed and extended. It has a beautiful decay after the hit and makes the highs extremely airy. Continuous hits on the hi-hat are not annoying at all, and they have a great texture (Talking Death metal speed and fast-paced Jazz).

    Worth twice the price of the R2R-11? For me, EASILY justifiable. The R2R-11 still has a more engaging tone (preference), less lively, but by no means Bifrost is not natural.

    Now, other traits:

    · Soundstage: Frigging WIDE. Nothing is confined between the speakers. The speakers just disappear. That is very very pleasant. Multi voices are incredibly clear and they have their own space on the stage. It’s certainly wider than the R2R-11 w/o tube buffer. A similar character with tube buffer enabled. It shrank in depth sadly, but layering is really nice. Vocals are very very forward, voice is further front from the speakers.

    · Imaging: I might need to play with the speakers to see if I can get it right, but as of now, things are not as contained. They sometimes sound bigger than with the R2R-11, making them actually bigger than what you would expect from real life-size. However, when I turn the tubes on it is spot on! - Of course, this changes from songs to songs, so I try to use for these tests songs I am very familiar with, and that were recorded from a one-take live session. However, the distribution on the space is fantastic. The black background is excellent.

    · Timbre & Texture: After adjusting the gain on the tweeter, things sound convincing. I am ok with it, but there is less magic in the midrange than there is on the Audio GD. I feel I am trading detail for realism here. That I felt when I let go of the Chord Dac as Audio GD sounded much more real in sacrifice for detail – Chord sounded sterile by comparison. Now it’s backwards, but the loss in realism is not so much so that is annoying. It’s the best of both worlds? However, read on.

    · Dynamics: Microdynamics due to the detail are just improved. But overall dynamics were reduced. Classical music just doesn't turn scary now. However, the increased detail, even in the midrange, is welcome. I will miss the extreme dynamics, but the wife will be pleased. She thought they were too much... so I did sometimes too. I will have to listen to more music and more hours to see how negative is the impact.


    Using unbalanced outs into iFi iTube2 and then into the Freya+ with GE 6SN7GTB tubes: It sounds frigging fantastic. Bass is much more apparent and thicker but doesn’t lose control. Now rattling ottoman is back. Voices turn more intimate now, and the highs are creamier and much more believable.

    As for Unison sound? Laugh, but then it does make it sound like the R2R regarding the intimacy and spooky feel that wood against wood, and voice can produce with certain recordings I was missing. The mids sound more natural and this issue of having them very very on the front forward is gone. Voices are less shouty and the snare is spot on. Rimshots have the soft snappiness of the wood stick. (I play drums and I am very damn picky with the sound of percussion. Also Bass) Playing the same tune streamed over optical, compared to playing from USB over the laptop has reverted the roles. R2R-11 had a preferable tone on S/PDIF over USB. Now with Bifrost is inverted, USB is more satisfying. When tubes are on over USB one gets the volume rush, and for Dynamic songs, I just want to crank the heck out of stereo because the midrange is not intrusive no more. The emotion of the singing pieces where singers increase volume comes as an open torrent of emotion that one is willing to receive. It doesn’t hurt, it is a very pleasant tone in spite of the brief hefty volume increase. Seriously, that feeling that one just wants to sing along, but at the same time, one refrains because it sounds damn epic.

    So it works perfectly for what I wanted. I can play very pleasant background music for reading and daily activities and watch things by using the Balanced Outputs w/o wasting tube lifetime. For serious listening, I can use the Unbalanced outputs into the Buffer and then Into the Freya+ with Tube stage on. Whether I streaming, play CDs, or play from the computer, it’s just fantastic! The depth and layering get improved quite a bit by the Tubes. Still, playing CD’s isn’t by any means an unpleasant experience, or looses terribly to the USB.

    Very happy with the Purchase!

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    Thanks, is there a tl;dr version? I'm a simple guy
     
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    @Darlig1218 A lot of what you're hearing is probably due to the R2R 11 being a non-oversampling design. NOS is inherently bassier, warmer, and has more treble roll-off than OS. Staging and layering are also quite different on NOS (more forward and centered).

    You also mentioned the R2R 11 is a bit edgy sounding on its own. If it's anything like the S19 we had on loan here, the S19 was incredibly rough sounding. It was probably one of the worst DACs I've ever heard.

    The newer R2R stuff from Audio-GD may have fixed this. I'm not sure. But I have concerns that their R2R products aren't actually performing very well or accurately.

    And it looks like a lot of your impressions came down to using your DVD player's SPDIF output, with Unison adding some of the more lush nature you were looking for...correct? I would be curious to know how you feel about the Bifrost 2 with other SPDIF sources (DigiOne, Pi2AES, Eitr, etc).
     
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    Eitr->Modi Multibit V2 versus Bifrost 2

    First audio comparison so would welcome criticism – this was tricky and I don’t know if it was tricky because DACs are a more subtle part of the chain and are inherently more difficult to discriminate between or if I have poor auditory perception – either way, please take this comparison as part of the broader findings of others and file it as ‘for consideration only’ at the very most.

    Modi Multibit V2 chain:
    Tidal-> USB -> Eitr -> Modi Multibit V2 -> Gilmore Lite MK 2 -> ZMF Verite (silk wood)

    Bifrost 2 chain:
    Tidal-> USB -> Bifrost 2 -> Gilmore Lite MK 2 -> ZMF Verite (silk wood)

    TLDR
    Listening very hard for differences, it seems the Bifrost is a hint warmer, certainly smoother, thicker on the bass notes, with better separation and a greater sense of space to its presentation, with an overall tonality that seemed less digitally edgy and more natural.

    I listened exclusively to the first two minutes of the album version of Dire Straits’ ‘Money For Nothing’ about 30-times on each DAC and it will be a long time before I will want to hear it again.

    I initially struggled to find clear differences between the two chains which wasn’t helped by the fact that I had to restart the comparison when I noticed I’d had the right and left RCA cables in the wrong ports on the Bifrost 2 – also of note is that the USB is upside-down (at least, it’s the reverse of the Modi Multibit.)

    On the Bifrost, In Sting’s vocals at the very start, I found that his voice was a smidgeon clearer, in the sense that the ‘T’ in MTV was made with the tongue, and that there was a sense that you could feel his lungs working in the ‘I’ – this was very subtle but made his voice more natural than the Modi Multibit.

    On the Bifrost the intro synth at the 30-second mark is a smidgeon warmer and more luscious, it is certainly smoother than the Modi Multibit which by comparison feels like a series of very fast, separate noises.

    The warmer synth at the 55-second mark seems to carry a greater bloom on the Bifrost and is perhaps what I might describe as creamier and carries more presence than the Modi Multibit where I felt it sounded more recessed.

    The drum intro at 1m17s occupied a larger space, the theatre seemed bigger, and it was easier to pick out left and right with a greater distance between those two points, and there was greater separation between the component parts of the drum – by comparison, the Modi Multibit had the drums coming not from a single point but from a smaller, more central space with a narrower width, with less distinction between the drum parts. I felt too, maybe because of this greater sense of space or separation on the Bifrost, that the drums carried more impact. These differences were more noticeable than the previous points.

    At 1m25s the lush synth sounds a little more luscious on the Bifrost – it sounds a little more euphonic – my notes say ‘sounds like petrol smells’ – the Modi Multibit by comparison wasn’t quite as forward. In all synth passages the Modi Multibit seems a bit more veiled or recessed, and had a slightly less smooth presentation - it seemed to have a digital staccato to the Bifrost’s warm rhythmic hummmmmmmm.

    The guitar intro at 1m27s is more complex as I found It very difficult to spot a difference here – the smoothness of the Bifrost and the electronic edginess of the Modit Multibit are still present but I felt that the Modi Multibit slightly edged it on the guitar notes because of its slightly jagged presentation, but I say that with a massive caveat that I don’t know exactly how these guitar notes are meant to sound.

    At 1m33 there is a building cacophony of noises and I felt that its different parts were better separated and distinct on the Bifrost than the Modi Multibit. Only just though.

    Summary:

    None of these differences are night-and-day (and in the DAC world I don’t know if they’re meant to be) and if I was going to give both of them to a friend they may struggle to identify any differences with casual listening. That said, under critical listening (or my best stab at it), if you enjoy a warmer presentation with extra bloom in the bass notes, a bigger soundstage that is somehow clearer and seemingly more natural throughout, then this is worthy of consideration. If you like the digital raspiness and zing of the Modi Multibit, which really is no slouch, then hold.

    Other notes:

    I only swapped the RCA and USB cables between the DACs and the volume level on the Gilmore stayed where it was – this seemed a close match in terms of decibels but was almost certainly imprecise.

    Both DACs had been on for more than three hours.

    Happy to answer questions and hope this was useful.
     
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    I still prefer the Tone of the Audio GD on the mids and highs. It's not that it's Edgy, but compared to the Bifrost it is. The Bifrost is UBER smooth. Wow smooth! ... but use the tubes, and the Bifrost gains layering and some body on the bass, and that's about it. On the other hand, the Audio GD turns from great and edgy into sex on the beach with champagne - I listen to hours (I am a beer drinker, so from 8 PM to 5 AM) and zero listening fatigue is ever-present unless I played too loud the wrong album. I really cannot speak bad of Audio GD. I am waiting and see if I get used to the new tone character... it's such an awkward thing. I do not understand how by example vocals are more upfront and distinct/clear on the Bifrost, but at the same time it's not contained (like contained in a circle floating on the air, as if there were a mouth floating) and present, sharply portraited on the image, as it's on the Audio GD. The Uncanny Valey factor prize is taken by the Audio GD still (also because of the reduction in perceived depth, probably associated to the loss on bass energy?), BUT ONLY when using Tubes (buffer and/or pre-tube.stage). Bifrost sounds just better if they are straight and with passive pre and, as I said before, Unison does help on that regard. Anyhow... I am not going to try the R1. Maybe if I hit the lottery - currently selling gear excess and looking forward to going travelling around the globe instead.

    What Unison does is making the midrange duller. So the guitar, membranes, snare, rimshots, viola, flute, voice sounds less shouty. That lesser energy, in my room, translates into a better texture, and also, the instruments fall behind a bit more, allowing for an improved sense of space behind the speakers. It sounds closer to the Audio GD regarding TONE/timbre.

    Who knows. It will take a while because I have no access to any at the moment, nor any loaners. I might get to try one with a Raspberry Pi with an S/PDIF hat or something to get rid of the laptop from the shelf, but nothing I see soon. We'll see. I tried other transports, this sounded just superb and kept it since I got it cheaper than any of the others. If it ever happens, I will post about the impressions.

    EDIT: Oh, by the way. Most of the S/PDIF listening was made using a Google Chromecast Audio - Of course, CD over the Pioneer sounds better. But same track from PC FLAC vs Pioneer - The PC sounds duller and texture more palpable.

    The thing that I am currently crying about is the loss of the concussiveness of the Bass. The loss is very substantial. No visceral bass no more. Playing Hugh Masekela - Hope - Stimela (The Coal Train) The visceral and overwhelming torrent of energy is gone. All of a sudden the Tannoy's sound even shy and I am considering a Subwoofer. The sound is great and headphone like... that's astonishing. But all the physicality and the intense swing in dynamics is gone. Wagner is not a roaring beast no more neither. I wonder if there is a work-around about this.

    I still it sounds Stellar though. There are plenty of benefits.
     
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    I appreciate the reviews of the Bifrost 2 and Jason's involvement in this thread. I went through my old emails and it turns out I bought my original Bifrost (for a paltry $349) 7 years ago. I have upgraded it twice - the most recent being to multibit. I am going to eventually pull the trigger on the Bifrost 2 and take advantage of the discount. A main motivator is the remote, which until recently I didn't think was necessary. Having the improved USB is a main motivator but it's also about going beyond the Squeezebox/Logitech Media Server approach I currently have. Amazon is now streaming HD audio and they do not offer any third party plugins (yet, maybe never) such as what is available with Tidal, which I do use via the plugin interface, running everything through the LMS software and into the Squeezebox Touch via the digital coax. With the B2 I envision running a USB cable from my laptop into the USB port and then switching between that and the coax input using the remote, should I decide to subscribe to the Amazon streaming service or similar.

    Anyhow not much of substance to add to the thread, I appreciate the reviews and am excited about getting the Bifrost 2. I've already marked the end of March on my calendar to remind me of the end of the discount period, but I suspect I'll be ordering long before then. The Bifrost has been my only Schiit purchase and I've been very happy with it in all of its configurations, but the multibit really put it in a new category. It sounds like the B2 is a real step up software/hardware wise from the original Bifrost and for the price it's hard to argue against it.
     
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    I’ve had the Bifrost 2 with me for about two weeks now and I have to say I’m very happy with the purchase. Few reasons:

    • The BF2 SE out has a more resolving and darker background than then SE out from the Gungnir MB A1.
    • Notes/low level details from the SE out pop out of the canvas and are much easier to follow.
    • Gungnir MB SE sounds more laid back while the BF2 is a tad brighter.
    • Small footprint.
    • I feels it beats out the Gungnir A1 for my use case. With the exception that they’re very close in balanced out. I also think that the BF2s bass is more balanced than the Gumbys.
     
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    Mine only got here around lunch, but it's interesting how it gets much warmer than Freya S.

    I guess it makes sense given how tightly packed the internals are? It's not hot or anything but I definitely noticed it, it's a nice comfy foot warmer temp ...
     
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    I'm finding the BF2 is significantly brighter and more forward than Eitr > Modi Multibit. Continuing to hear lots of low level information that I hadn't heard before. Wonder if the sound sig is partly the reason, though I'm sure it's extracting more information.
    Balanced in what way? Relative to the mids/highs? Does Gungnir MB bass stick out too much?
     
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    I've received the replacement BF from Schiit yesterday. Thanks to customer service who turned it around quickly with the rapid exchange. (they didn't wait to receive the old one but shipped as soon as the tracking showed received by Fedex).

    So far the new unit is great. I really enjoy the sonic traits that the new BF brings to the table and it just seems to fit my preferences well. Very good low level detail with better features (xlr out) and excellent bass control (texture and extension). It's just a pleasure to use this DAC. This ain't ya Dad's BF here, nope.

    Oh, and the price is pretty insane for the level of performance. Classic Schiit.
     
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    It for sure has a blacker background than the Gungnir Multibit A1 and more resolving. I still believe there's a slight bump in the treble.

    Seems it's not as warm as the Gungnir Multibit A1. More balanced in relation to the rest of the FR.
     
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    Far happier. I have taken now the time to re-adjust and fine-tune the speakers - It's interesting that one DAC can have such differences compared to another that volume and placement needed to be re-adjusted. The end result, I moved them further away from each other for about 2.5 ft . It might be a combination of replacement, break-in, and ears adjusting... but this thing is stunning. Now the voices are contained as I like it, everything sounds with great depth, the bass dropped, and boy this sounds great. Now is not only deep but deep and filled with detail and control. If people are comparing Modi Multibit to BF2 in a sort of favorable way, I'd put my hand on fire to say the Modi then should sound better than the Audio GD. I am assuming the "shoutiness", or extra energy on the midrange was diminished by separating the speakers from each other. Now the Tonal balance is spot on to my taste, and texture fantastic. Also, I can crank it a bit further, vocals and strings are not intrusive, thus dynamic swings come more Dramatic. Even NPR Youtube concert from Adele, by example, it's such a treat!. I wouldn't have written again if it were not because moving the speakers did make a considerable change.

    I was not the only astonished. I had a guy come over to pick up a Yamaha CA-810 I had (and sold to pay partly for the new goods) - The guy was Blown away by the sound with a youtube video concert. Literally said that I ruined his life and now he wanted something that sounds like this. - Now I have the traits I was "missing". And the speakers never sounded this good with the Audio GD. Picture of the set up as it stands now so there is some insight as to the environment of listening used.

    Imaging extends far further to the sides of the speakers as a natural trait from the Bifrost. I doubt I would crave to improve this DAC. Crazy quality for the price.

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    Just to add a data point, the replacement BF that I received last Friday has been perfect. Nary a hiccup and sounds gloriously good. I really enjoy the way the DAC renders music.
     
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    That's good to know, Jason stated over on HF that they had a batch of bad caps on the initial production run.
    I will be ordering one of these once the teething issues are sorted out, upgrading from my Eitr>Modi Multibit v.2.
     
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    Did he say if this affects the sound? Pretty sure mine was in the initial production run (I ordered the day it was announced), and I do find it a little overly euphonic in comparison to my Modi 3 and Modi Multibit rev2. It is functional though.
     
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    What do you mean by euphonic in audiophile terms...

    Are you saying it's too pleasing to your ear, and you like it alot?

    Jokes generally go way over my head, can't tell if you're serious not..
     
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    He did not say nor did I ask, I've no pony in this race as yet.
     

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