Schiity rumors (and SBAF talks about McDonald's)

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  1. Uri Cohen

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    I was only focusing on the CD Player. Actually I might be thinking of this wrong. It would be nice that the Transport can take both data from the CD and me hooking my computer to it and route it to a DAC. I don't own a Schitt DAC, but it could free up some space on my end.
     
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    Our IT department decided to just skip Win 7 entirely. Hence on good advice from a friend in IT so did I.
     
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    My overlords are still on W7 but pending to update everyone to W10 this year. I'm on the testing committee for that, we will see..
     
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    You won’t get the benefit from the USB out on the transport unless you’re using a Schiit DAC. You’ll use SPDIF or AES, which will keep your USB port free on your DAC for computer. Mike said this in his update (the part about “ROW”).

    Edit: in fact I get the feeling the USB out from the transport may ONLY work on Schiit DACs.
     
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    I am always wary of a new MS OS. But so far Win 10 works well on our system. Now if they would stop buying crappy software from other venders..........
     
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    I update my router firmware all the time. Seems like something that could be done through USB if configured right
     
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    Makes sense. Thanks!
     
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    Mike repeated several times that the transport has USB Audio output, which means it should connect with any USB Audio sink device. If it only works on Schiit DACs, then it's proprietary and the interface isn't USB. I read Mike's post to mean that he is implementing a BWD interface (BitWordData, described here), with the data carried over regular USB Audio. Bit and Word are separate clock signals that can run independently of USB data transfer. The Bit and Word clock signals could be on a separate connection, but I believe that he could implement those signals on USB 3.0 where the connectors and cables have extra lines (but still backward compatible with USB 2.0 where the Bit and Word signals would simply go unused).

    Edit: Something grossly wrong with this post? Why the dislikes?
     
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    In his head-fi post, he said that the new way of doing USB audio gets rid of most differences between sources, including the transport, which is still going to have another minimalist BWD output besides the new USB output. I'm guessing the USB output will, like he said with the mechanical part of the transport, be focused on reliability and cost while the BWD output is really where they can go completely proprietary/minimalist to wrangle out gains over the new USB, if any is to even be found. The way he put is was kind of confusing to me too, where he sometimes called the new USB "BWD over USB", probably because its a minimalist USB implementation.
     
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    You guys may end up getting what you want, mainly because all these suggestions will make things much easier on Schiit.

    I do want their next DACs to be able to transform into fighting robots.
     
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    If it is Gundams, I'm game.
     
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    So do I, OpenWRT FTW.

    I'm not saying it can't be made relatively simple. It would have to be very well thought out to have a zero failure rate though, and anything non-zero is going to be higher than they have now.
     
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    Are made-up rumours allowed?

    I'd like to start one about a Continuity Ragnarok, because Jason hasn't had quite enough fun with case thermal design.
     
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    Sort of - I work in healthcare with lots of PHI and just had my machine upgraded from win 2007 to Win 2010, although many are still on win 7. The core reason is security - our IT dept can't afford a single slip as our company has more PHI than many governments. I have to commend our IT staff on a self-service upgrade process that went flawlessly.

    That said, there are a ton of other companies with similar numbers of global users (200k+) that have similar or greater security needs (e.g., google or citibank) and don't have near the antiquated technology we do. Also, I can say that I was once on a Gartner tour of a new data center and they said the security was greater than the military and they didn't understand why we'd need it. And finally, I used to work closely with Cisco and nobody there wanted to work on our version of WebEx because it was old crappy tech compared to the new stuff (and companies like google have their GVC own tech for secure video conferencing)

    Anyway, my point is, it can be less the IT departments and more management and policy as the IT departments can only work with what they're given. (holy shit, did I just defend our IT dept??? I think i did!)
     
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    Same with me it seems like a real deal breaker will probably end up purchasing one when they get it rolled out.
    The honest expression when they say it's really f_ good strikes me as a game changer:

    at 29:00
    Guys when it comes to opinions over the current USB gen 5 which ones do audiophiles generally prefer for digital inputs?

    S/PDIF, Coax 1 via RCA, Coax 2 via BNC 75 Ω, TOSLink, AES EBU, I²S via HDMI LVDS, I²S via RJ45 LVDS, or I²S via RJ45 LVCMOS.?

    Is there a general preference to one which is much better than USB gen 5?
     
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    Recently moved from Healthcare to IT and the difference in workflow is significant. Being independent and proactive for patients is not a necessary skill in IT. Most important thing at my dept is whether the intended work won't cost an arm or a leg, won't void warranty and won't fuck the current infrastructure. If yes, fill out the appropriate paperwork and wait a couple of months for finance approval.

    Reason why I am still working with Win 7 and Windows Server 2008 at my workplace. Roll out the most stable thing and make it last until end of life then pay for the next durable and stable stuff.
     
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    Haven’t you seen the ads on TV??

    “4 out of 5 Audiophiles prefer I²S via RJ45 LVDS over I²S via RJ45 LVCMOS”

    Obviously.

    In all seriousness, this the wrong question. It really depends on the DAC which input is best. As well as your transport/computer and the rest of your system.

    Removing USB from the list, there is a general pecking order some people will say, which is:

    I2S > AES > S/PDIF BNC > S/PDIF RCA > Toslink

    But, even if this was all available in a single DAC, there’s no guarantee that one will be better than the other, and it obviously depends on which is the available/preferred output from your transport/computer.

    USB is all over the place - with Schiit having some of the best. But still, many prefer the AES/Coax inputs on the Schiit DACs. In my system, I prefer Gen 5 USB on Gungnir Multibit, but Eitr SPDIF on RCA with Yggdrasil. When I flip them, I find Gungnir Multibit a bit too soft sounding, while I find Yggdrasil a bit too hard sounding. YMMV.

    All differences are minor of course because Schiit’s USB is pretty good and fairly close to their other inputs. However with other manufacturers, their USB can suck big time. Metrum’s USB input for instance was terrible in comparison - I was forced to use the coax with the Metrum Onyx when I had it.

    So bottom line, there is no definitive answer to this. As in most things in life, and in audio, it depends.
     
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    Thanks, you are right in to say that it depends. I guess the question is rather what perceptiveness is associated with preferring USB with Gungnir Multibit and SPDIF with Yggdrasil. There is no right or wrong answer, and I suppose more importantly for me is to wait until Schitt implements their new USB module in 2020 so to infer that USB on Yggdrasil 2020 is "more musical or pleasing sounding" than EITR SPDIF on RCA, but to try and postulate a conclusion would be a waste since I have already set in stone the notion that I will wait. You certainly prefer as you've said, SPDIF of Yggdrasil over USB gen 5, or your ears do. I am not sure if it is the idea that the USB gen 5 is slightly inferior (even though I would trust the current Schitt USB module) so as to create a digital harshness to the music or on the other case it is brutally honest on the flaws of the recordings your are listening too.

    It will certainly be a matter of how brutal or delightfully depthful (if that is a word) the Yggdrasil will to be for hardcore, some pop, rock, metal, alternative rock genres I primarily listen to. Perhaps the level of realism will be unbearable to listen to for enjoyment, or it could be a nice compliment to the musical Ares DAC I already have for my studio monitors. I am not sure what to expect and I would guess it could vary whether I intend to use my studio monitors or end up purchasing a new set of floor stand speakers with a more musical characteristic to begin with.

    I know from the current consensus there are times which people prefer the Gungnir Multibit for its more musically engaging vibe sound when it comes to listening to modern recordings. No doubt the Yggdrasil is a detail machine, and would capture the recordings of "natural" sounding genres like classical to its true form.

    I suppose it depend on my psyche and ears to adapt to a level of realism I have probably not experienced yet, and be able to associate a musical enjoyment to that realism.
     
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    Yah that raises a discussion you or other people wouldn't mind talking about as I would be delightful about hearing.

    How bad is a gaming laptop like my Razer Blade (i7-7700HQ CPU @2.80GHz) on Windows 10 as a transport for playback of digital PCM FLAC files with lets say foobar2000.

    Is there any forums or links with discussing my curiosity of what factors in EM interference or other drawbacks of laptops things that people like to consider? I would think my computer is up to the task of processing power.

    The last thing I want for future purchases is to figure out my bottleneck is a gaming laptop or its USB interface. I do not know how much I would have to consider.
     
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    All pc usb outputs are pretty bad, even on battery.

    It's just too noisy, electromagnetically, inside any kind of pc, unless you're specifically shooting for cleaner-than-spec power delivery the way some of the RPi usb hats do.

    That costs money and provides no benefit for 99.99% of consumers so companies don't.
     
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