The Coronavirus Thread

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  1. wormcycle

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    You mean we need to test the entire population to determine that the infection rate is slowing? You realize that if epidemiology and the assessment of infection rate was based on this method China should start now and it will be done roughly in 2089. Until then we all should stay on full alert.
     
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    The School of Public Health at Johns Hopkins University is generally regarded as an authoritative, trustworthy source for information on the virus, its spread, and the public-health response to it. You can subscribe to their COVID-19 situation reports (and find other relevant information) here: http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/resources/COVID-19

    For specific information about what to do to avoid/delay getting sick, what to do to help keep others from getting sick, and what to do if you are sick, you can bypass everybody who's paraphrasing the CDC's advice and go straight to the source: https://www.cdc.gov
     
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  3. Lyander

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    Yup, redacted that bit before your reply because I immediately noticed it was a dumbass thing to say.
     
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    Possibly the most concise and best advice.
     
  5. Rustin Cohle

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    Re: informing ourselves: Let’s not forget the “novel” in novel coronavirus—we’re actually learning about this as we’re getting infected by it. So even the most reliable and rigorous sources are subject to change. I’ve had access to a few dozen test positive reports from folks missing many of the marquee symptoms.
     
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    Unfortunately it may be time for rationing to stop this hoarding behavior. I kinda get the behavior but lockdown likely won't include not being able to go to the store. Supply won't change much.
     
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    When people fill up on 3 months of toilet paper, only then will things go back to normal.
     
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    In Sarasota, FL Detwiler's Farm Market fewer people, full shelves. This is a good place to take one quick look and see how the food supply is doing because they sell food only. The demand is higher but even at the end of day the shelves are pretty full.
    I think older population reacts a bit differently, At 69 I am aware that I may die for few different reasons, some known to me, one more is frightening but not ground shaking. As strange as it is, the fact that children do not seem to be affected, and mortality among younger people is close to zero, gives me a lot of comfort. Maybe because I feel young at heart:)
     
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    I don't know about other countries, but here in Italy the contagiousness is dropping because, if the country is not shutted down, we're actually not that far from it, and everyone who's manifesting the symptoms is getting tested. Those 30-70% scenarios are "what if" in case we underestimate the problem
     
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    Frightening headline from Canada: "Ashley MacIsaac plans online music festival during pandemic". :eek:
     
  11. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    It's like this everywhere. I've polled co-workers in the UK and France. You have to be "dying" before you are given a test. My daughter had flu symptoms for nearly two weeks, severe enough to be mostly out of school, but doctors refused to give her a test. I don't think China is or was any different.

    The labs need to reserve the throughput for the tests for the highest priority most severe cases. Mr. Spock would approve of this while the labs are ramping up their capacity.

    It's amusing to see Westerners desperately trying to find a solution, a fix. It's like a self-inflected neurosis bordering on psychosis trying to control what we cannot control, when the only thing we can really do is to rest in the discomfort. (This is very evident at my RL job, company, partners, customers, etc.). The thing about BCP is that we can only plan for so much. More often than not, plans to address specific emergency scenarios will be too costly to implement, not to mention covering the entire universe of emergency scenarios, most of which we could not dream up.

    Easterners seem have a better understanding that we humans are merely dust motes in the greater scheme of things. Some things don't have a fix. We humans will get through this, as we have in the past with much worse, just that some of us will die.*

    P.S. I don't believe the official China figures at all.

    *This is something most Americans will not accept. When we did become so fragile? (I'm not saying this with bravado. My lungs are damaged from prior illness, so I'm definitely higher on the grim reaper's list than most of you.)
     
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    I actually haven't set foot into a grocery store since I arrived back in the states Thanks to curbside pickup. I noticed that the appointment times are much further out for this week's order though.
     
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    The numbers in the second graph are over a very short period. The data for the "swine flu" aka H1N1 infection numbers for the US came in at 59 million over the one year period. So yes, we could see exploding rates. The good news with H1N1 is the death rate was only 2/100 of 1%. Even if we blunt covid-19 we still may see big overall numbers over time.

    I had to ask my son if he remembered getting the H1N1 vaccine and yes he did and that jogged my memory, I think all of us got the shot) at a school gymnasium. I am not sure how they got the vaccine so fast back then, since cases showed up in April and I think the vaccine was widely available in Dec. or so of 2009.

    Here is a list of companies working on a solution: https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/analysis/coronavirus-mers-cov-drugs/

    And to clarify (I was confused) Covid-19 = the Disease and Sars-Cov-2 = the virus that causes it
    similar to AIDS= the disease and HIV= The virus that causes it
     
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    Ugh, that President Press Conference tells me a few things:

    * Giving out Free Money never works.
    * Who's going to pay for it? We do not have any monies.
    * Doesn't matter who runs the country, they all do the same crap.
    * We went from freedom to bribes. This is a joke.

    Meanwhile I should be getting TP delivered to my apartment this weekend, woo.
     
  15. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    Free money is only but a temporary solution.

    Hey, at least $850B directly back to people (if most of it actually going to be that) is a lot better than $850B to mysterious government infrastructure repair packages, complete with retro WWII era propaganda posters of how the money is being used for our own good.
     
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    My problem with the $850B amount is who is going to pay for it? I think we are at $23T in federal debt at this point, what would another $850B due to us? Are we doing what Andrew Yang is suggesting? Yikes on my wallet.

    Personally I'm sick of bailouts and cash deals. There are possible talks of some money going to corporations, which I am 100% against. In my humble opinion government can't pick the winners and losers in the market. With the government giving so much money to the Auto Industry back in 2008/2009, it is giving other business sectors the "MMMMM If the Fed did that to the Auto-Makers, we can do it too."

    The government to me is very incompetent over the last few decades, and I don't think they will become competent over this situation. I was just thinking about if I did receive a check from the Fed, I might just shred the check in principal. : /
     
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    The rust colored lining is at least we got repaid all but 9 billion of the 80 billion we sent to Detroit.
     
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    Na, let's just kick the can down the road. Let Gen Y, and then Gen Z handle it. This the real reason why Great Thunberg is angry. I've observed this set of younger generations hate the older generations more than any other.
     
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    Quietly meditating and job-hunting as developments keep coming in.

    As long as I am healthy I can stay healthy. There literally is no simple fix.

    The current situation might not play out like the 1918 Influenza, but it is still going to hit hard. Like you I already watch over my health like a hangry hawk because my dust allergies are not a joke.

    I witnessed an idiot trying to hoard medicine (painkillers) today as if it was the end of the world. Had I been less tired I would have mocked him openly, full sarcasm mode on. I am too stressed out now...
     
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    She is an idealistic idiot. It happens at that age.

    Thing is, when she wants to settle down she will have to compromise because ideals do not fix the issues she wants to address. She would be better off watching Japanese Sci-Fi, in particular Gundam series where the world is plunged in crises because wars about energy, resources and literally power disrupt the milky way while humans try to survive.

    I must stop here before I start ranting. Take care.
     
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