UE Pro Reference Remastered (UERR/UERM v2)

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    Were there any silicone tips? Or was it just complys?
     
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    I think there were, but I didn't try them.
     
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    Yeah, I listened exclusively through silicone tips and powered by a glacier.
     
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    I tried the silicone and preferred the complys. The silicone seemed to further reduce the treble for me.
     
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    Copied from my post in the Golden Schlong thread which I had originally posted in due to poor forum searching skills:

    Not sure if I have used "attack" correctly though, maybe treble would have been better based on what others have observed.
     
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    Hmm. Not that I'm in a position to buy them anytime soon but the mixed impressions make me think it will be some time until we have consensus - namely, when more people who had UERM get custom UERR. Show demos are useful but still limited. I am looking forward to it. If the differences are significant, and moving away from neutrality, then I agree that taking UERM out of the product line could be a misstep.

    Slightly OT: I didn't even know these exist. Anyone heard em? More drivers and crossovers = less desirable? http://pro.ultimateears.com/products/custom-monitors/for-audiophiles/ue-18-pro

    And then the ultimate: custom tuning. http://pro.ultimateears.com/products/custom-monitors/for-audiophiles/ue-personal-reference-monitors
     
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    You guys are freaking me out a little... I hope it's just a seal/insertion depth thing with the demo!
     
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    I wouldn't worry too much. With the UERM the demos and customs were pretty different for me.
     
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    It could be that. After all most of the Feb meet guys tried it with both silicon n comply whereas mine was only spinfit. Also, it turned out that my sample was not burned in, if that makes any difference.
     
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    My UERR arrived today so let's get straight to the point:
    UE has changed the signature however to my ears it's two different expressions of "neutral" with the UERR being the more relaxed ("natural") version.

    With the UERR I am hearing less presence and upper treble (4-10K) however air (10K+) seems unchanged. Bass is similar between the two; my first impression is that UERR has better extension but at the expense of attack/tightness.

    Will do a proper review when my brain is acclimatized and I have had more time to A/B. I've only listened for about an hour total with a few quick checks back and forth.

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    Thanks Chris.. do let us know your gear that's upstream the UERR, too.
     
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    So far only my Dell work laptop and iPhone 6.

    When I get home it will be Rag/Yggdrasil and my turntable setup. I will also be able to compare vs Event Opal monitors compensated using Sonarworks. Click info in my profile to see the full list.

    I'm looking forward to listening at home as I think the UERR (like the UERM) will respond very well to amping. Even more so because sensitivity has been reduced from 112dB (UERM) to 100dB (UERR). On my phone I have to put the UERR 2 or 3 clicks louder to get in the same loudness ballpark as UERM.
     
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    I wonder if UE made a bass distortion/extension tradeoff similar to what Tyll reported with the HD800S.
     
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    UERM with even more bass distortion would be truly terrifying. If anything I would be hoping for less bass distortion (though I doubt it would change considering that they probably use the same driver)
    I actually listen to my UERM at lower volumes than my HD800 most of the time because of its bass distortion even though it is less bright.
    (Keep in mind that the HD600 bass distortion (and even the HD800 sub-bass distortion) annoys me at higher volumes (85db+). )

    @Chris F How is the treble extension compared to the UERM? For me my UERMs literally fall off a cliff after around 15kHz and I can hardly hear anything above 17Khz through the UERMs. My ears are good up to around 18.5kHz and it does annoy me that the UERMs don't extend as high.
     
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    Using the Harman "How To Listen" training tool my impression is that UERR has better treble extension but there is less of it. This contradicts what I said in my previous post about air region being unchanged, sorry! Air is also pulled down a few dB on UERR to retain the smooth roll off curve.

    My hearing is OK to about 17K. (I'm 39)

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    Depending on how much of a difference there really is, that might be very close to ideal (I consider my UERMs to be just slightly bright (like 1-2db), but the 3.3ohm output impedance of the SE output on the rag made it sound too warm for me (difference was like 4db at most) )

    When I first saw the decrease in sensitivity on their site I actually thought it was a mistake. Wondering what they changed ...

    Very interested to hear your further impressions |\/|.
     
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    Interesting difference in output design that I noticed this morning. Sorry it's a bit blurry, I hard a hard time getting the iPhone camera to focus properly.

    You can see that on UERR they have switched to a 3 tube design with the first port (bass I assume) being much much larger then the others. Physically, the UERR is also about bigger (4-5mm or so) front to back then UERM.

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    Jude explains the differences well in this video IMO.

    In frequency response terms UERM sounds similar to speakers that measure flat at the listening position. UERR sounds similar to the B&K curve but also with more extension on both ends when compared to UERM. They are very complimentary to each other in this regard.
     
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    I can confirm with Chris F's impression that the UERR is warmer than the UERM. Both units that I tested are demo universal versions.

    I personally like the UERR better because the UERM is too bright for me but notice that there are a lot of forum users here who like the UERM so maybe this is not suitable if you like bright, agresive sound.

    The Japanese FitEar MH334 is still the best overall if you want a monitoring sound but it's hard to buy without local distributor.

    Hope this helps.

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    The way I understood it is that the big bore is for the new HF driver while the smaller ones are for mid and bass. I believe that the smaller diameter of the tubes acts as a low-pass filter (like Sonion AcuPass: article on cymbacavum).
     

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