Yet Another Disagreement Regarding Cables

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    If you used the stock cables with Auteur pads, the mids are recessed. But if you use silver cables - the mids are no longer recessed with a slight sparkle in the treble
     
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    oh god.
     
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    Have you tried Eikon with a occ copper cable, the harmony richness makes it really unique. If you provide Eikon with lots of power - can get a live concert sound. Zack's headphones are all really finicky to get them to sound at their very best. Have not yet found a dap that can bring Eikon and Atticus to their full potential, pinning my hopes on the upcoming Hiby R8
     
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    Why am I disliked for this statement? When I was using the stock cables, my ironwood vc was really boring but with high resolution. Upon using the silver cables - the headphone sounded much more alive - the vocals sounded more intimate and cymbals sounded like cymbals. Refused to give up the soundstage by swapping to Universe pads
     
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    Because it's bullshit. The verite is 300Ω, it's not a super sensitive multi-BA IEM where cables can make an actual difference. There is no way that the wild difference that you're describing can be attributed to a silver cable, mate.
     
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    Have you ever tried swapping headphone cables - especially cables made of different materials. This effect has taken place for all of the headphones I have used - Verite Closed, Eikon, Atticus and Audioquest Nighthawk. If you swap copper to copper cable - the difference might not be so obvious - but from copper to silver - it is so obvious. What do I gain by spewing bullshit- I don't sell cables - my intention is to share that by swapping cables you can to some extent flatten the W shaped response of Verite closed but still maintaining the awesome soundstage of Auteur pads
     
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    And even then, is not the difference (say between some voodoo directional ubertanium silver cable & zip cord copper from Home Depot) down to a few hundreth's of a single Ohm?
     
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    Yes. But at least there would(could?) be a difference, not saying these kind of cables would be "worth" it.

    Another interesting one is the NightHawk. Diyaudioheaven elaborates on the cables it came with, which in combination with the headphones, actually do make a difference https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/audio-quest/
    They made them this way just to promote the AudioQuest "See! Cables make a difference" train of thought, though....
     
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    Thanks for the link. I was hoping someone would supply the science. I was thinking initially the capacitance and inductance might matter (but I wasn’t too excited about figuring the frequency relation out myself). I was surprised that the resistance matters, but comforted that it’s true only if I go super cheap and have a 3 wire cable.
     
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    I did not say anything about ubertanium silver. I dont look for brands. My cables are all diy by a person. Experiment with the number of strands and thickness of the wire as well as materials such as occ silver, occ copper, normal silver and normal copper.
    They do not give the same result. In general, the thicker the wire and the more strands(need to braid), the more natural the sound will be.
     
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    We're telling you these faerie claims are simply untrue. This might be an audio forum but try to let the pseudo science go :rolleyes:
     
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    Have you tried before saying they are untrue. I bought a silver cable for my Nighthawk (needed a balanced cable)- a very cheap one on Taobao (35 USD)- the midbass was definitely less than stock cable, treble became piercing. Cable was a thin cable and the overall sound definitely even though clearer was not as pleasant as before

    Therefore my experience is don't go for brands - the markup is exorbitant - go and audition different cables from different brands - then try to make some smart guess why certain cables sound a particular way and then go and diy it yourself. I only don't recommending diy when the cable makers use hybrid cables - because the composition of materials the makers got it through trial and error....
     
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    This is the Verite thread though, you can't extrapolate from the Nighthawk to a totally different headphone. There's vastly different properties at work here. As has been mentioned above, did you read the mentioned link ? Nighthawk with silver cable was 1dB louder. Louder is not piercing, just louder (NO difference in tonal balance BUT there is an amplitude difference of 1dB which IS audible). Your brain is fooling you.

    There really shouldn't be large differences with the Verite as with your Nighthawk. Silver is not changing anything...
     
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    You really seemed reluctant to believe that cables alter the sound - why does Zach sell a Verite silver cable?
    Btw, I also used a hybrid cable for Atticus to boost the sub bass and treble
     
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    Because some believe, they have $ in their pockets, and want to chase these real but nevertheless vanishingly small differences. If I were him, I would sell a 1 inch thick cable with tube socket in it because who does not want that!? Prove me wrong...
     
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    I have built/used all sorts of cables and I own one of Zach's 2K copper cables. It's basically audio jewellery. I wouldn't claim it makes things more bright or bassy because that would be BS.

    Now please let's back off this cable topic and continue the talk about Verite Closed..
     
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    Because you are a new member. Without additional context and superb skills of persuasion, it's often frowned upon for new members to recommend cables at the get go. Cables are considered a last priority here since they are often not inexpensive and the money spent toward them can often be used to upgrade to a higher class of amplification or DAC.

    Don't take it personally. It's part of the hazing process. If you survive, you will achieve greater respect and latitude to post on random stuff like Star Wars.
     
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    Moved posts here since they are moar about cable awesomeness and much less about Zach Verite closed headphones.

    Next time, please create another thread dedicated to the awesome qualities of the DIY cables in question. Being more specific on the particular cable qualities and pictures might make such a thread a more interesting read.
     
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    No offense but I don't get why Singaporean audiophiles are so crazy about cables and uber surplus on the cost of audio products in general.
     
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