Yggdrasil Refined - New Schiit Yggdrasil Analog 2 (Yggdrasil A2) Sound Impressions

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  1. fp627

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    Makes sense now. Probably was necessary. If not for the dog, then for themselves eventually.

    To interject as to why I questioned in the first place with a childhood story:
    As a kid there was a new neighbor - single female lawyer who lived a few houses down the street from us and had 3 very big and very loud/aggro dogs for protection. Dogs easily big enough to kill children if they wanted. Neighbor had probably put some people in jail so while the dogs would bark at the kids as we walked by - the neighborhood wasn't happy but understood her predicament and let it slide at first as they weren't doing anything per se. Soon after the dogs started getting loose and chasing/circling us kids (myself included two times, scared the crap out of me but they never actually attacked me) around the neighborhood a few times when we would walk home from school or play outside. Then one day a kid got tackled by one of the dogs soon and VERY luckily 2 neighborhood dads rushed over out of nowhere and kicked the dogs away before he got really injured and somehow dogs didn't attack the dads / actually ran off. Owner must have heard the commotion as she ran out soon after and profusely apologized. The day after the 3 dogs were then locked up much more securely inside, had muzzles on pretty much 24/7, and were never seen again by us outside.... I found out later that apparently many in the neighborhood saw/heard what happened several had told her that if the dogs hurt their or the neighborhood kids, they wouldn't hesitate to shoot the dogs and sue her for injury/death. Being a lawyer I'm pretty sure she doubly understood the situation she was in.

    However, in this entire story, no dogs were shot. But the owner was not as negligent.
     
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    I just got my Yggdrasil back from being upgraded to A2. Yeah, I waited al long time to do this.

    Upon first listen cold, I didn't really notice anything different from A1. Not better, not worse. It had also been about 3 weeks since I'd heard it. While it was gone I broke out my old Modi Opti for television use. I didn't listen to music on the main system during this time.

    Yesterday after about 24 hrs of warm up, I realized I had never heard it sound so "clean". The instruments and vocals were well separated and popped out of the mix with more precision. The plankton was there and I found myself following secondary instruments in the mix rather than the obvious stuff. I have been back to listening on original Heresys, so I can't comment on bass because the Heresys really don't have any to begin with.

    I probably won't get a chance to listen much again until next weekend. I'm curious to hear if it gets even better after a week.
     
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    just noticed on Schiit web site a Yggdrasil GS does anyone know if this has Gen5USB? the description on the web page says it is an Analog 1 what EXACTLY does that mean and for only few $100 more is it a better deal sound wise than buying a brand new Gungnir multibit-i will be pairing it with new Rggy 2 (just an amp) and a pair of Legacy Audio Studio HD monitors
    i only listen to HD/HiRes streaming from TIDAL/Qobuz on their web pages plus from ROON and Audirvana A+3 and my ripped Apple lossless CD's 800 of them
    thanks bobbmd
     
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    do not cut n paste your rambling question posted on HF also on SBAF.
    we owe you no answers.
     
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    I had those Legacy's for a while. They drop off like a rock around 90hz or so, and that tweeter is "hot/bright" if otherwise nice, so synergize with an eye towards warmth.
     
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    To answer all further handwringing: Get the best thing you can afford.* If that means the best and newest thing, yay. If it means something that was the best thing until a year or two ago, yay. If it means something that's low or mid-tier, but can bring you joy lots of enjoyment, yay.

    *"can afford" doesn't mean you have that much money or credit available. It means it would be sensible to use that money to buy something you don't need compared to handling obligations or saving for other future purchases or experiences.
     
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    Just a brief follow up after living with the A2 upgrade for a couple of weeks now. My previous comment still stands regarding the increase of detail and separation over the A1. I can't tell if it sounds much better now than after that initial 24 hours of warm up. I may have read somewhere that A2 doesn't take 2 weeks to warm up and stabilize like A1 did after you hit the initial break in. If this is the case I can believe it. It just seems like it sounded really great after about 1 day, with some very slight refinements if any, after that.
     
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    It will get better. Mine took a few weeks to stabilize. If you like it now just wait!
     
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    Not that you can go back, but you start realizing how much you'll miss once you don't have the a2/ unison
     
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    Does he have Unison?
     
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    Quote below from the Rasberry I2s thread - #2111. He says AES through the Pi2AES board may sound better than Unison Usb. Interesting. I am running my Yggdrasil with the PiAES board and a Raspberry Pi4 and it does sound excellent, though I do not have the Unison to compare.


    My Yggdrasil has one of the beta Unison USB boards, which I've been driving with an Allo USBridge powered by an Sbooster LPS (Allo board) and a wallwart (Sparky board) configured as a Roon Bridge. I had compared this with the Pi 3+502DAC setup powered by an Audiophonics LPS, either coax or AES to the Yggdrasil. USBridge>USB>Unison Yggdrasil sounded cleaner, less etched. But with Pi2AES the story changes. I have to persuade my wife (who has better hearing) to do a blind(ish) test, but if anything Pi2AES might be cleaner. Given how much work Schiit put into designing Unison to fit their DACs, if this stands it would be very impressive for Pi2AES, given that this USBridge>Unison setup sounded better than AES from an Auralic Aries Femto when I compared them extensively (sold the Aries).
     
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    So we have the opinion of the wife of Jeff to go by. Your wife better knows what she is talking about.
     
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    @Jeffjazzer thanks for bringing @earnmyturns perspective about other inputs for Yggdrasil. In order to prevent confusion you could tag or quote directly. Try selecting the quote and you can add to multi-quote and bring it to another thread.
    I think the main point is that Unison is excellent and convenient but is not the end of the story. If you have Pi2AES and are happy then no need to upgrade. Importantly @earnmyturns are you using the SBooster LPS to get the high level of performance from Pi2AES?
     
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    @joeexp he was quoting @earnmyturns from here:

    https://www.superbestaudiofriends.o...pi-i2s-to-spdif-hat.1990/page-106#post-276492

    @Jeffjazzer you should figure out how to quote here, or add links to things you’re referring to avoid confusion.

    Also Joe, @purr1n has said that he still prefers the AES from his Theta Data transport over Unison, so it’s still entirely possible that, with a good enough transport (the Theta is a one of those vintage crazy CD transport monsters) feeding SPDIF or AES, you may be able to better Unison, especially compared to low end USB sources. I suspect that we will ultimately hear the full potential of Unison via @baldr’s CD transport, which will be optimized from both ends.

    I purchased a Pi2AES + RPi 3B+ transport recently as well that I haven’t had a chance to put together yet. I also have a beta Unison USB board in my Yggdrasil A2. I’ll also report back once I get a chance to do some A/B testing between them.
     
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    No, just the standard Meanwell switcher that Pi 2 Design sells. The Pi2AES is now with a different audio chain at work, so I won't be able to do more careful comparisons with the Yggdrasil (like asking my wife to help) for a while. But I'd say that anyone with a Pi2AES need not get all antsy about switching to USB sources and Unison. OTH, Unison will be a worthy upgrade for anyone who has a USB source.
     
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    Do you have access to any other USB sources beside USBridge to test?
     
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    Not currently, but the (original) USBridge + LPS combo that I own now was no worse than the more expensive microRendu with ultracap power supply when I did that comparison, although that was with other DACs and DDCs, not the Yggdrasil. That USBridge + LPS combo with the beta Unison USB in Yggdrasil beat AES from Auralic Aries Femto into the same DAC. That's I was so positively surprised by the Pi2AES+Pi AES + cheap switching PS source for the Yggdrasil.
     
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    To all the folks that think they're missing out because they don't have Unison... get a Pi2AES. I have Unison on the Yggdrasil A2 and have had the allo signature/usb and a few other transports. The Pi2AES using AES mode for the Yggdrasil to me sounds better than Unison. Unison sounds great but Pi2AES is criminally cheap for the plankton and neutrality that it puts out. Even against the Auralic transports costing much more, preferred the Pi2AES. Should you get the Unison upgrade once it's available? If you are primarily using usb for music or gaming then yes.
     
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    ^^ best compliment ever

    What power sources for the various transports? I suspect this makes a difference only with the Allo devices.
     
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