Yggdrasil Refined - New Schiit Yggdrasil Analog 2 (Yggdrasil A2) Sound Impressions

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  1. neogeosnk

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    Audiophonics, Chinese lps, iPower and batteries for the Allo. Stock cheap power supply on the Pi2AES to me sounded better than any Allo power combination I tried. Ended up using the Audiophonics to power the pi portion of the Pi2AES, made a tiny difference (2%?) but you really don't need it.

    Let me be clear, you have to use the AES connection on the Yggdrasil A2 to yield good results with the Pi2AES. Level of performance: AES>Bnc>Coax
     
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    I can not compare to the Unison, but recent comparisons on the outputs of my Yggdrasil 2 with Pi2AES, I have come to the same conclusions. AES has the fullest most dynamic sound. BNC sounds a little brighter up top and thinner on bottom. Might be better depending on your speakers and system. Coax wasn’t as clean. Loving the Pi2AES. Have used other setups in the past. Daphile with a Windows PC, a Pro sound interface running firewire. All sounded good but not at the level of the Pi2AES.
    I’m using piCorePlayer as software now. I like it’s interface best but Moode may sound better. Have run Snakeoil in the past which also sounded really good.
     
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    I have similar impressions, maybe not as emphatically favoring Pi2AES but certainly putting it at or above Unison in my particular setups:
    1. Allo USBridge with Sbooster LPS for the USBridge board and a random 5v SMPS for the Sparky SBC > USB > Unison
    2. Pi 3 + Pi2AES with Meanwell 24v SMPS > AES
     
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    Has anyone tried putting anything under the Yiggy? As in isolation feet?
    There is an appreciable difference there. Depth and airy presentation. Maybe no so much in your face complaints I have read. Smoother presentation.

    Using Mesquite wood blocks right now but also Carbon /graphite cones works very well.
    Try it. I have not seen comments on this at all.
     
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    Week old rice pudding works best, much more texture in the sound.

    Edit: I may be inclined to believe you, this would be such an nth percentage of percievable sound difference your comment would carry more weight if a tad more descriptive of your gear, how you perceived these differences outside of a good/bad perspective.

    Most people at your level believe in fuses, I'm still using 0.2£ fuses yet the transparancy and purity of tone cannot be denied without nano quantum levatating double pro black hole limited edition bee sweat fuse.

    You may have found a difference because you're looking for one, run a week on, week off, week with pudding, stacked condoms whatever, if you miss the sound of the wood blocks then you might be on to something.

    I was always bugged about these isolation system, common sense dictates if I pick up some gear/dac while running I should hear an imediate difference...
     
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    You old fart audiophiles crack me up.
     
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    There’s a reason you haven’t seen this here - most people here don’t buy into this kind of tweaky nervosa crap, or they keep it to themselves. We don’t cable-lift around here either, or put beaks on top of our speakers.

    Whether there is validity to vibration dampening of things that use high precision clocks etc is not something worth discussing/debating. Also, this type of nervosa is a target for the snakeoil peddlers out there, so we’re not going to endorse or discuss the merits of this type of thing. In the (modified) great words of Obi-wan “This is not the site you’re looking for. Move along.”
     
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    Bacobits what advice do you have for proper room acoustics and reflection points using KSC75 tweeters on flip flops? Asking for a friend.
     
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    Magnetic levitation system will give even more depth and air. The higher the device levitating the more air and depth are.
     
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    In all seriousness, I know many of us do put most of our (edit: mechanical / tube) audio gear on laminate/particle board, plastics or hockey pucks, heavy wood furniture, and other non-conductive and non-vibrating material to reduce vibrations, etc. Wood as suggested by Bacobits just seems to be another version of this. Had he come in saying magical energy crystals on top - different story.

    IMO the ultimate version of this without leaving cost-effective land would actually be a feet made of something like salt, sand, a thick gel of some sort or similar energy absorbing material, etc. as the grains of sand are going to (mechanically) disperse noise and vibration. This presents the very obvious and much bigger problem of getting sand in all of your gear / home if not properly executed.
     
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    as one of the unwashed blithering idiots that "keep it to themselves" about this sort of nervousa, if you think vibration absorption is something you need to try, just buy the pads @neogeosnk posted.
     
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    Hey, what the hell do I know, I’m a cable believer (up to a point, and yes even the digital ones), so nobody’s perfect. Everyone is free to like what they like (heck I’d even try some things just for a lark if it’s cheap enough), but the industry for these absorption/isolation devices, and the prices being charged in some cases just makes “audiophiles” look like audiofools when you’re talking about using them for solid state gear (I’m not talking about turntables or speakers or other gear with moving parts). Not to mention the debate over which materials imparts this vs. that type of improvement etc on that solid state gear. But if you try it, and find a positive difference, placebo or not, go for it. Your proclivities are your own. Doesn’t mean we’re going to have an in-depth discussion about whether a 1 inch block of Mesquite gives you a better soundstage than Teak wood.
     
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    I use those, well blue/black ones. Have like a dozen of them. They work great for lifting cabinets just off the ground too, like my Kallax shelves and such. Also work to level Christmas decorations in a pinch (ask me how I know).

    And I use them as cable lifters. No, seriously. They cost like $3 each, and like I said I have a bunch. We have pets - two cats and two dogs - you wouldn't believe the hair I track down to the room they don't go in. Lifting cables, for me, keeps them a bit neater looking, and provides some strain relief. If there are other benefits, that's fine.

    I do use some IsoAcoustics pucks also, because they just flat out look nicer. Don't think they do any better a job at isolation, though. This stuff is variable removal, for me. It's done and I don't question what is, or is not, about the implementation or the materials therein. And did I mention it was cheap and required no effort or risk?

    And if you REALLY want to roll your eyes - allow me to show you the $1 furniture cups I have with $1 3/4" solid ball bearings in them, for multi-axis resonance control. Adding those actually lets me feel a slight rush of air every time a classical recording has a big ass timpani in the background. I use those when my back stock of blue and black anti-vibration pads are upstairs holding up christmas decorations.
     
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    Isolation gadgets have their place, especially with mechanical devices like TT's, CD spinners,analog tuners, and tape decks. Depends on your equipment,placement, and environment. I have heard definate changes to the sound of the above equipment,not always to the positive, too many times to ignore isolation possibilities.
    As for non-mechanical gear, amps,pres,dacs,digital tuners, cables I've yet to hear a major difference in sound. But that's my ears,my experiences.
    If you've got the coin to chase these gadgets, go fer it!
    If a knuckle tap on your components outer case sounds like Quasimodo ringing the bells, you need to dampen the case with dynamat or similar
    Bluetack putty on your monitor stands can't be argued
    Sorbothane record mats will suck the life out of your LPs on a suspended turntable, but they work best with with direct drives.
    Cork + rubber mats work great on any turntable, here's to you GemDandy.

    And I won't even go into the effects of urban subsonic vibrations, immeasurable on hif I test gear but well understood by construction engineers and social planners.
    Just because you don't have the equipment to measure the effects at 2Hz when a metro bus or commuter trains goes buy doesn't mean that it doesn't have an effect on your body or your hi-rez rig.
     
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    I'm not into tweaky nervosa crap. I don't know why it works on a non mechanical device.
    I don't have to defend anything. What shit responses, terrible. This place is one big fucking clique.
    Sorry I posted.
     
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    Lame. I was hoping you'd come back with rolling isolation feet. Fruit woods adding their own sweetness to the midrange. Maple woods for a warm syrupy sound.
     
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    Didn't you ask the original question? I think there was a good sampling of pro and anti-responses that were returned.

    Everything in nature resonates at some frequency. It's a subjective opinion whether these cones and isolation materials make an audible difference.

    For the Yggdrasil or any device with large internal power supplies near the rear of the unit, place two cones in back and one cone in front. But I'm not sure where the internals are precisely for the Schiit equipment. I would say to experiment with placements until you find the sweet spot.

    Also, Happy New Years everyone! Here's to a safe and happy 2020.
     
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    I understand you point, but we cannot forget the placebo effect. It is real and can be measured. In my experience, I’m happier avoiding this kind of worries. Happy 2020!!
     
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    LOL, chill out. You have to get used to us being a bunch of nine year olds sometimes.

    Yes, isolation or coupling will change the sound. Some gear more, some gear less. Parts like caps can be microphonic.

    I can see the AverLAB spectrum analyzer show funky stuff when tapping on amps and DACs. Heck, electrical signals passing through wire or components actually cause minute levels of vibration. Output transformers have been known to sing even.
     
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