ZMF Verite, Revisited

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  1. ChaChaRealSmooth

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    *Wow, I didn't actually quite realize we never bothered to separate our thread on the Verite and Aeolus! Hopefully this will help future people navigate. Also, my early writing on that thread on Verite/Aeolus is cringey. Ew.

    I probably had a little bit of a hand in the Atrium hype train taking off as fast as it did. I'm not apologizing for my role in that at all; I said my piece and I didn't say a word that was untrue (and I indeed bought and received my own pair since then). Funny enough though, the Atrium simultaneously has made me appreciate my Verite even more than I have before. Verite remains one of my favorites and is in my personal top 5 headphones (it remains to be seen if Atrium can get that high, but I think it belongs there).

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    The Verite really does have quite amazing strengths; namely, it's microdynamics, speed, separation/layering, and resolution. There's a reason why in those categories it's compared to the big boys like the Utopia. Although it cannot quite reach the same high that the Utopia can in resolve, it's not terribly far off and is ahead of headphones like the JAR HD600. Its slightly rounded transient edge coupled with its speed allows for incredible nuance in the attack and allows for actually very good decay characteristics despite its cup reverb. Throw in its presentation where it seems to be able to present sonic layers individually, but as a cohesive package, and the Verite tucks at my heartstrings; I absolutely adore this headphone and haven't heard anything else quite like it.

    The criticisms of the Verite are fair and fairly well-covered by the community, but I did want to address two of them: the coloration and the "W-shaped" tonality. The coloration, well, it's a ZMF and all ZMFs are an interpretative listen; I find that for better or worse people either love this or hate it. Another part of this with the Verite in particular might be its timbre; the Verite has this strange timbre where it sounds like the Utopia and the Aeolus had a kid. It really does have characteristics of the Focal beryllium driver and the TPE Aeolus driver, which makes sense because the driver is deposed beryllium on a PEN base, which is similar to TPE (this is neither a good nor bad thing since every driver has its own timbre). As far as the W-tonality goes, I find that this is more due to the reverberation characteristics versus actually being a W-shape; the reverb extends out very far into the mids and plays without shame. That being said, it's still very much part of the ZMF sound since they all have this cup resonance to some degree; the OG Verite is just the second biggest offender in terms of its ZMFness, the Verite Closed being the biggest offender.

    System Synergy

    With the Verite in particular, there is no such thing as really pairing to minimize its sins of commission (this is in contrast to Utopia, where its transient overshoot can be tamed by pairing with something like a DNA Stellaris). This is simply due to the nature of how the sins are committed; thus we need to pair to emphasize its strengths. The two choices here are emphasizing its layering and resolve or by going for speed and adding in more macrodynamics (the Verite is quite good in macrodynamics, but it falls behind Aeolus and Atrium). And obviously, pad selection will need to be considered on a per-chain basis.

    If you want the best amps for the Verite, your choices are something from Donald North Audio, hope someone wants to sell their Eddie Current amp, or if you insist on solid state you get a ECP DSHA-3F. With anything DNA I'd recommend the Be2 pads, and from the 3F the Universe pads, but this can be rolled to taste. Other amps will also work well, but then we are no longer talking about the best. However, something like SW51 is good enough (leaves a few things on the table but it's frickin' good) if you don't want to spend that much on headphone gear.

    With regards to DACs, this will be your choice depending on what you want in terms of total synergy. However, I'd stay away from things that are tilted too warm like the Bifrost 2; Bifrost 2 + DNA amp + Verite would probably lay it on way too thick in the mids and lows. We once had an asshole on this forum who used a Matrix X-Sabre Pro and paired it with their DNA Starlett, which actually worked out well with Verite. However, last thing I heard is that he sold the Matrix and got a Schiit Yggdrasil GS.

    Closing Thoughts

    Good gear doesn't suddenly turn into shit just because new stuff came out. I would argue that with gear that is truly schlong-worthy, the fact that we can speak so frankly about their shortcomings is actually a testament that they deserve their status. To me, the Verite absolutely belongs in this category even though I know it's not for everyone.
     
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  2. zach915m

    zach915m MOT: ZMF Headphones

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    Hey! Thanks for the detailed thoughts my man!

    I think the Verite is a hard one to "grasp" if you haven't heard it, and therefore has gotten somewhat of a "I don't know what to think about it" reputation which is fair. The sound has been described as W shaped, wonky, sucked out and tons of other "bad" audiophile words. The Atrium is much easier to love on paper, because it measures more traditionally. But when you forget about the "specs" the Verite still holds a special place for me because it's so different from anything else out there. My personal set that I use the most is a OG run pheasantwood verite with BE2 lamb pads on it. There's something about it that just sounds right to me, wonky or otherwise, and lets me engage with it for longer than the other models we make because it's different.

    Sometimes I worry that the audiophile headphone chase is all about "resolution" and "tuning to a certain curve" and we forget about all these other qualities, including having a diverse collection that lets you experience new and different things continuously as you go through your gear. For me that's what keeps it fun, ZMF's or otherwise. Not to say "traditional" isn't good or whatever as well...there's a place for many tunings as long as the intention is clear.
     
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  3. Vtory

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    Glad to finally see the Verite-exclusive appreciation thread. Chacha and Zach also made great points.

    From my roughly 3.5 years of ownership, they deserve a special place for me, too. If my neck is as strong as it was several years ago, putting up my Verite for sale would never have happened. Anyway, just a few thoughts from favorable memories. Take any point with a grain of salt.

    1. I'm still not a fan of calling Verite's tonality 'W-shape'. It's inaccurate at best and misleading at worst. W-shape literally mean (1) elevated lows, (2) elevated highs, and (3) two distinct dips, I think. Or broadly speaking, at least wonky response is a necessary condition. That's not what I hear with the Verite. Even if on measured results, assuming all the assumptions are correctly understood, Verite doesn't seem W by any means.

    2. This doesn't mean the Verite are super neutral in tonal balance because they're..not. They're the most interpretational take in FR (and maybe as well as headstage) among ZMFs imho. To be specific, if I recall correctly, I hear a proactive cut/dip in lower treble. Small but audible peak was heard around upper treble, too. The former is probably associated with Verite's spatial expression and romanticized presentation at a cost of losing presence of major instruments and vocals (not annoyingly to me btw). The latter adds sheen, overtone, sizzle, and kicks, which all prevent from sounding too dull or withdrawn.

    Very interestingly, Atrium feels like an antithesis to Verite in some ways. Tonally, what I said above is almost reversed with Atrium.

    3. Frankly speaking, everything comes down to music to pair with. Verites work well with many naturally recorded or minimally produced works. Highly resolving nature and romantic/holographic presentation make fitting listening sessions very special. And that's one reason why Verite won over many other totls I owned before.

    But I personally found Verite didn't work well when I want instrumental/vocal presence. Female voices in dance/pop music and/or certain producing styles often conflict with either of places I mentioned in #2 (rarely both). So.. to me it's really music that articulated what Verite could do and what they couldn't.
     
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    I've bought the Verite about a year after it was released and it very quickly shot up as my favorite as evidenced by my heavy usage. The pandemic has made me used my headphones more and the verite is always the one I fall back to regardless of what I've tried over the years. At the time of release I've not heard anything quite like the verite bass response. It has plenty of slam and is highly tactile but also quick enough keep up with every minute tone shift. The main thing that draws me in to this headphone is it's combination of note tactility, layering, highly resolving nature and unique tonality that I've not heard anywhere else.

    Getting a Studio B to pair with this makes for one helluva setup. The EC makes noticeable improvements on it's already nebulous and holographic stage. It further amplify the verite's ability to slam, filling out the bass even more. There's plenty to love about this headphone and it remains as one of my favorites till this day. It is my favorite headphone for Jazz and one of my favorites for prog rock and heavy metal. The Atrium might've gotten more attention from me recently but it can't replicate the properties that made Verite great and it remains as one of most engaging and unique headphone I've heard.
     

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