Comments on Profile Post by purr1n

Effin hornets' nest...

Not really. Have had many Jewish friends and acquittances non-chalantly tell me in passing that people have wanted to kill their people since the beginning of time. If anything, this was an oh shit moment for me - the realization that this wasn't "propaganda" or paranoia, it's truth. I got my even daughter calling me from college asking me about this. I mean, most Jewish people I know in the USA aren't even Zionists.

I agree with you. My experience has been different, nothing nonchalant about it unfortunately. I'll send a short PM at some point.

I guess am I outraged and flabbergasted that otherwise educated and erudite people would even have to think about it or frame it under free speech (which only applies to gov't) because for me it's hell no, that's not acceptable, we're giving you the boot. Too many people silent on this.

It’s a double edge sword. I’m a first amendment whore to the core, so I have to support speech that I must hate to the core. Now when state governments like FL are trying to regulate speech like in colleges, then that’s a whole can of worms that I’m trying to prevent.

No need to overthink. There's right and wrong. How long do you think a kid would last if they advocated genocide of all black people or all yellow people? Speaking with my daughter, I'd be scared on be on campus if I were jewish. It's like the mob rule that our founding fathers were afraid.

Also, this crap at least in FL is becoming political pandering. I can’t tell
you the amount of people from the right telling me to vote for the GOP since they are the pro-Israel. As a Jew I don’t want to be another special interest group that’s popular in politics. I am
an American for crying out loud.

@purr1n, from my college experience at a mid-size university in FL, the wackos who talk about genocide were always there. Just it was well hidden. I guess it started at the liberal art majors at the University. Had to take a few classes at the liberal arts building, they shown me Michael Moore films and pro socialist stuff.

But when I go to my business building for my business major, there’s enough professors who rant about Democrats while the hallway there were free WSJ print dailys. I learn the most about business at the local flea market, and that’s when I knew college was just a breeding ground of illiberal thoughts. Still like the WSJ daily even if I was paying for it.

“I mean, most Jewish people I know in the USA aren't even Zionists” -this is a huge part of the problem. Israel was created as a safe-haven for Jews when the world starts saying shit like “Calling for genocide of Jews depends on the context in which it is said”. Anybody who thinks anti-Zionism is Not antisemitism probably agrees with this “context” bullshit.

I don't think that any speech calling for mass murder of ANY people is acceptable.

*Both* Islamaphobia and anti-Semitism have been hugely boosted in the last few months. Attacks on Jewish people in UK have soared in the past two months. And they never touched zero anyway.

(and count me as totally anti-current-Israel government and actions. As are many Jews.)

I am Jewish and I am anti-Zionist. Israel is no safe haven for Jews, as 10/7 made painfully clear. And the message from many is basically “go back to Israel”, said in the same vein as “go back to Africa” towards black people. Palestinians are being mass genocided in numbers that are staggering. Israel is not worth defending.

I was raised from birth with the maxim “Never again”. I ALWAYS understood that meant this should never be allowed to happen again to ANYONE, not just Jews. It sickens me to see Jews becoming the thing that almost wiped us out.

AND Israel’s actions have made me and many other Jews in diaspora less safe as we are targeted because of our Jewish heritage by people who equate Israel with all Jews, which is racist as hell. f**k Israel, f**k Netanyahu. I don’t want any of this shit done in my name. I reject it. I stand against it.

Israel has made life materially worse for Jews and Muslims in the west. It is also committing mass murder on a scale so large that I cannot believe people are cheering for it. This is not defense. It is systematic destruction of Palestinians and their way of life.

I have family from Israel and family in Israel, some of whom have called me a Nazi for opposing the genocide in Gaza. There’s a sickness of the heart at the root of Israeli life and culture and it’s not reformable.

I’ve seen videos of Palestinian children mutilated, crushed, burned, obliterated. I’ve seen videos of three and four year olds calling out for their parents who were just bombed out of existence. The look in those children’s eyes breaks me. This is what people support when they support Israel.

I grew up seeing images of the Holocaust. It’s seared into my brain. It looks just like what is happening in Gaza. The inhumanity, the complete and utter disregard for human life. Israel is an apartheid state engaged in ethnic cleansing. They need to be stopped, to be dismantled. A new state needs to exist there where people of all faiths can be free.

@Merrick, epic. Deeply affecting: more than almost anything I've read in my left-of-centre British press so far.
I am not Jewish, I am not religious. None the less, I have some respect for some of the actually-ancient religions, absolutely including Judaism. Even if I hadn't, somehow life brought me quite a number of Jewish friends. Would have married one but she turned me down.

I am very nervous about using N words on the the internet. One can get in a heap of trouble...

"It sickens me to see Jews becoming the thing that almost wiped us out."

Yep. That.

@Thad E Ginathom It is fair to call Netanyahu and the Likud party he leads fascists. I wouldn't call them National Socialists because that's not their breed of fascism, but they absolutely are far right authoritarians and had in their party platform the phrase "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."

This is why they claim "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" advocates Jewish genocide, because they are projecting their desire to genocide the Palestinians. All of the Palestinian activists I've seen and interacted with are calling for a new state that allows actual freedom of religion and would allow Jews and Palestinians and anyone else to live together.

I wish I could dislike all of your comments @Merrick

There will never be a two-state solution when the Palestinians are unwilling to compromise and stop seeing themselves as victims and refugees. The real irony is that the kibbutzniks that were so viciously attacked on 10/7 were the peaceniks like you

@gaspasser Do you hear yourself? The Palestinians, who are being mass slaughtered in record numbers, need to stop seeing themselves as victims and refugees? Make that statement make sense, because it’s complete doublethink nonsense.

I'm afraid there's no way to discuss this without it blowing up. This is the definition of existential crisis

Perhaps the Israelis, who have the most powerful military in the region and unlimited backing from the most powerful nation in the history of the planet, should stop seeing themselves as victims.

@gaspasser It legitimately sounds like you’re saying Palestinians don’t deserve human rights unless they cede their entire land and culture to Israel.

Sorry @purr1n for doing this here

@Merrick you speak like someone who knows something, but clearly you’ve never lived in Israel or even visited at an age where you would actually pay attention. Israel is a state with freedom of religion and is full of brown people of all cultures. Please don’t use the term apartheid to describe the situation there. You just mark yourself as a patsy.

Israel doesn’t want to commit genocide at all, BTW genocide is only a noun. They just want to stop being rocketed and bombed, etc. You clearly have been hoodwinked into turning against your people because you believe the nonsense you are being fed.

@gaspasser You have willfully blinded yourself from Israel’s crimes against humanity. Imagine someone during the Holocaust saying Jews would be a lot better off if they stopped seeing themselves as refugees and victims.

And just because brown people live in Israel does not mean Palestinians are equal to Jews in Israeli society, and it absolutely does not mean Gaza is under apartheid rule from Israel. I use the words apartheid and genocide because they are ACCURATE

I'm pragmatic about stuff. What did Hamas think was going to happen? What a lot of people don't know is that Israeli got shoved a big part of the "Palestinian problem" by its Arab neighbors. Pretty sure Egypt and Jordan do not want Gaza or the West Bank back. Not to mention the shameless three land grab attempts (wars) were a huge contributor to the current situation.

You act like I didn’t grow up being force fed Zionist propaganda all my life. I know all the arguments for Israel and I know why they’re all bullshit.

I have a close friend, a fellow Jew, a combat vet, on the totally opposite side of me on this. I wrote him that our friendship MUST survive in spite of that chasm.