Film and Episodic Content Discussion Thread

Controversy is nearly impossible now because there's a place for every opinion.

In the past, if you wanted to be an iconoclast all you needed to do was to be young and go after the traditions of your parents. Exactly how does that work now?

I am a 40 year old millennial and don't have kids but if I did and they wanted to piss me off by screwing with my traditions then I have no idea what they'd need to become. What? Jihadists?

If you can't upset the old people and have the young girls cheer you then what's the point? Now, no matter what side you take, instead you'll have half the old people telling you how cool you are and half the girls spitting on you.

 

This is a good point, though I'd add people are actually more offended now than previous generations, or maybe being triggered is more painful/less tolerable since privilege has never been higher. But attention spans are shorter, so nothing really sticks. Things are already chaotic and unstable, so how does more chaos stand out? Where would an Iconoclast fit? They would simply go unnoticed after 15 minutes of trending, unless they are literally the top 0.01% like Elon Musk or Trump.

 

Right, we long ago hit the point where the reformers became the status quo.

Being edgy is also high risk low reward, you just don't know what will go viral and then suddenly you're doxed and a nutbag with an AR is burning your house down.

I don't think Musk or Trump are iconoclasts either. They always command half the audience. And in the case of Musk, you're possibly a force of chaos yourself just for the sake of it.

 

Well an iconoclast is just someone who attacks cherished beliefs or institutions. Musk and Trump certainly have done that.

 

I think they certainly see it that way, just as Sarah Palin enjoyed calling herself a "maverick."

Your definition is correct, it just rankles me when conservative or liberal politicians cast themselves as iconoclasts when they merely represent one side of the establishment. It's like when a car company tries to tell you how speshal you are for buying their crossover SUV when it's basically the same car (or literally the same car!) as the competitor with a different badge. In the case of the conservatives, the anti-establishment dealio is of course designed to appeal to the charismatic evangelicals who see their role in politics as a spiritual battle, and of course the OG rebs, The South. It's all just marketing to me.

Won't get too far OT, this ain't the politics thread

 

I'd put Brando (b. 1924) in the generation before (b. 1940) Pacino, which is the one i think Colt is referring to (see: Deniro, Kidman, Day-Lewis, et al.) But you did mention Hoffman, who is in that same gen, and absolutely deserves a nod.

But that generation, Brando's—the Greatest Gen was called so for a reason, not only did they beat the f**k outta Nazis, they produced the most enduring modernist pieces of art—is something else entirely.

Blame postmodernism, blame the greed (@ColtMrFire are we ever gonna get a cut of Greed that's real footage??) of Hollywood, blame globalism, it all works. But no one is pointing the finger at the reason for all these things: Capital, and its destructive neck-wringing of art.

Why will we never see another Reims again, but we can build literal islands off the coast of Dubai? It's all ab who's benefitting.

The silent hand of Capital has strung its heavy golden chains and is exhausting the life out everything from church steeple to art gallery to Grauman's Chinese theater, as it benefits those with Capital. Us 99.99999%ers (and yes, the greatest movie stars from Valentino to Cruise are part of this bracket, too) never stood a chance...

 

So in a crazy unprecedented move, top actors like George Clooney, Emma Stone, Ben Affleck, Tyler Perry, Scarlett Johansson are offering $150M of their own money to help end the strike.

https://deadline.com/2023/10/hollyw...-help-end-actors-strike-stalemate-1235578089/

And of course, the SAG leadership doesn't like the idea (probably because it makes them look bad). I told you they were morons.

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/...tors-strike-proposal-sag-response-1235762001/

 

$150m isn't that much in money in relative terms is it? Drop in the bucket?

 

They wouldn't have offered if it was too much. It's $150M over three years, 50/year.

 

Seems like it's a bad deal?

 

This wouldn't be a one-off indie production but a multi-season reality show featuring 'real people' (to the extent that geeky audiophiles qualify). SAG membership therefore wouldn't be necessary.

I volunteer for season 1 as long as it'll be filmed somewhere warm. Texas would do

 

The world may not be ready for this version. I'm not sure I'm ready for this version.

My vote is for the high budget option where all of us are played by hot people. Or at least famous people. I'm fine with being played by Adam Driver. We could probably cast Jason Momoa as @YMO, although the fx dept may need to add prosthetic backhair.

Any votes for who plays Marv?

 

So I am hearing worrying news through the grapevine that Fran Drescher (SAG leader) wants to prolong the strike into 2024 to go down as some sort of hero revolutionary. This is why the $150M actor proposal was rejected. She does not care about the hundreds of thousands of crew and actors out of work and won’t be able to feed their families for Christmas.

Prolonging the strike into next year would pretty much destroy Hollywood. If you pray, I would start doing it now.

 

Oh and to demonstrate how f'ing unhinged they are, SAG is ordering their members NOT to dress up as certain characters for Halloween. Nope, that's not a headline from an Onion article.

But Ryan Reynolds had the best comeback for this lunacy...

 

How exciting...

Someone remade Star Wars The Force Awakens using A.I. generated imagery and an A.I. generated Mark Hamill's voiceover with music from the movies.

And it's GOOD. It's not perfect, the imagery is a bit inconsistent (which is a problem for A.I. imagery right now), but the attempt gets A+ from me for its imagination and clever plotting, and MUCH more satisfying handling of the characters. Far more satisfying than the garbage we got from Disney. The biggest complaint about the sequel trilogy has been that Han, Luke and Leia never got the onscreen reunion they deserved, but this remake completely changes that.

HIGHLY recommended and only about 25 minutes in length.

 

This a great reminder how great a previz and pitch tool AI is.