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Discussion in 'How to Win Friends and Influence People' started by Big D Design, Feb 14, 2017.

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  1. Grahad2

    Grahad2 Red eyes from too much anime

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    No he just couldn't figure out how quotes work. 20 spinning disks not enough to compute.

     
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    Funniest post of the year so far!
     
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    @Psalmanazar
    Thanks for the outlook on DACs. I don't listen to Club Music on my system very much, but I do have some to shake the house when needed. I listen to a lot of Country artists like Jamey Johnson, Kenny Chesney, Alan Jackson. I like a lot of piano, guitar, pedal steel, violin kind of music that is not rocking out, but soft listening. I listen to classical, and I just was listening to Max Richter "Three Worlds" the last couple of days.

    I have wondered how Myteck held up against the Yiggy. Seems that I would like the smooth of the Yiggy. I hate ear fatigue. I looked at the Perfect Wave at length a couple of days ago. Expensive, where I can't justify. Rather have a turntable setup with the extra money. (VPI Scout)

    I like what you mentioned on how to get some of the Club Music going to it's full potential. When I build a system in the other room I have, which is much larger.... I want to be able to throw Rock, Club at high levels thru traditional quality tower speakers like Legacy Audio and maybe a couple of JL 13s. I want edge in that system. That project is still a couple of years away. I have to space out things for retirement. I really do respect your opinion big time. The club days are over. That was 30 years ago.

    I was showing a quote of how a customer liked the USB to SingerX to Yiggy. Fixed it.

    Just so there is more clarity on my taste in music, I took a screenshot of my Tidal page for you all to get a better perspective of what I'm listening to....... these are albums that I don't own on CD

    [​IMG]

    My music collection on my Hard Drive is massive and diverse. But a lot of it is MP3, CDs are in storage in NJ.
     
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    Hey man, take a breath and chill. No one thinks you are a club rat or anything like that - there's nothing you need to prove. Internet forums can f**k with your head. A lot of people here have great systems and large collections of music. Many of us don't. What we have in common is a desire to get away from the stress of existence by sharing love of music equipment and laughing a bit along the way. A rare few here are truly gifted and skilled in understanding the relationship between equipment, sound, and value, and conveying that understanding.

    No one is in a competition. If anything, folks here are amazingly generous.
     
  5. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    Too bad you lack the room for the CLX. The pure panel CLS / CLX are huge step above any of the ML models with woofers. Because of aesthetics, ML decided to go with smaller woofers, and not even that, inefficient woofers with high excursion and mass. These kinds of woofers never quite blend in well with the e-stat panels. The ML panels would have been better served with faster sounding more efficient larger 12"+ woofers, but the aesthetics would have been unacceptable to many audiophiles. It's not like ML didn't know - they did come out with the big panel CLS / CLX which solved the woofer integration issues.

    I was thinking CLS / CLX with your RELs... that would be something. The ML subs always seemed to suck and never mated well to the CLS / CLX. It might have been retardation on the part of the reps who set these things up at the shows.
     
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  6. Big D Design

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    About how far apart does the CLX need to be placed? I'm reading the manual now. Seems that there is no law as to how far apart they need to be. It's 4 feet from the back wall and 2 feet or more from the side wall. I'm sure that I could fit them with me removing some of the sound damping furniture I have next to my ESLs. I kind of made the space smaller so there were less reflections. I would imagine a used pair would cost about $12,000.00.

    After looking to see if anyone selling the speaker, I see that buy them used is not going to be as cheap as originally thought.
     
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    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    I'd put the innermost edge of the CLS / CLX to where you currently have the innermost edge of your Theos. With CLX, you will be perfectly fine because the treble panels are the same width, just on the inner side of the panel. The CLS might be more tricky as the outer edge is getting close to the side walls.

    If you came down to it, just build some 2' x 4' absorptive panels with this: https://www.amazon.com/Roxul-Rockbo...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=X6GX07BHNQT60T5MPP99

    Build a frame from furring strips (or something more elegant): http://www.homedepot.com/p/1-in-x-2...uce-Furring-Strip-Board-HDSP3010208/205602402

    Go to Joann fabrics or use cheap bedsheets to cover. Stretch out the material and nail / staple-gun on the back.

    The idea is to absorb the side reflections to give you more lattitude to place the wide panels further apart closer to the walls. Another set of panels right behind the speakers might be helpful too, although the river rock fireplace may provide some level of diffusion.

    You know you want the CLS / CLX. Not just for better bass and more cohesive presentation, but the panels are just much better too.
     
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    IIRC, the Martin Logan CLS was reported to be "ruthlessly revealing" with all but the best program material. I think the CLS II was their answer to that. The CLS was still preferred by some saying that you should only be listening to the very best program material anyway. (I don't think that is practical/desirable for myself, early Kinks is the first thing that comes to mind.)

    I just thought I'd mention that because of the speed at which Big D can move.
     
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    Big D Design RIP 2021

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    @Marvey
    You have given my something to aspire to in the future. I spent some time visualizing the CLS in the livingroom. I could definetly make them work. I will have the equipment to drive them as well. To be honest.... I would never consider a speaker of that cost before joining SBAF. But a few years down the road I will be putting my collectable car up for auction in Palm Beach for more retirement money. If I get what I think that I'm going to get for the car, there would be a no problem door open if I felt I wanted to have the real sound of the Martin Logan design. So why should I slowly work my way up to the CLS. It would make sense to just wait and get the Martin Logan panel that is not the best looking (doesn't bother me at all), but quite good sounding of an upgrade. I see quite a few people are going all the way and buying the Martin Logan Neolith Flagship model lately after auditoning the monster. And here I thought that they would have trouble selling them. CLS is really the best panel though for my application and for what I am looking for with music playback. I would have to buy another turntable then as well. Of course (VPI Scout).

    @Dino
    Their new model is called CLS/art. Thanks. Yes revealing is a scary thing. That is what scares me about upgrading my DAC.

    When it gets down to it.....sometimes you think about conventional speakers and how forgiving they are with a lot of material. That's why when I build a system for the other room I have.... I'm going conventional speakers, and they are going to be able to play rock at ear splitting levels and like it.
     
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    What the actual f**k is this thread. I feel like I just completed a grand journey.
     
  11. Big D Design

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    I think many have not explored digital in a way that someone from such an outside the box view as my engineering view of digital sound. I used to be a vinyl guy. CDs were harah, and I worked with the underground guys behind the scenes to improve the DAC reproduction dating back to when it all started in California. To say that is is f**k stink is your opinion. I have been at the listening end of the equation. I have test stuff that was pure bunk, and I have found better sound with people that have tried new things. The digital world is filled with new progress. TotalDac is proof that old school redoing the clocks and the chain of the DAC is real. Schiit has shown that they found Medical circuits that were already manufactured to be rewired and make a DAC better with the Yggdrasil. Get a job in some other field and you will be successful. I have found that amplification has'nt improved in Class A. I have found that a preamp has been improved. It's called the Freya made by Schiit. One thing is a constant with me. That is the truth in sound engineering. Many can put a home system together. Vinyl is still a viable alternative to Digital. But look at the silence of digital. The brass ring of digital is not better resolution files IMO. It is the DAC. I don't claim to be God or what ever you find a place in your heart as something positive. But in this day and age especially since there is such a divide with the new President..... It is nothing like when I was growing up in the Seventies. We had Dual turntables and Sansui was just coming out. Macintosh has some good stuff. You AND I MEAN MOST OF YOU ypunger ones have not heard a properly setup sound system. I have gone thru tubes with efficient speakers to planar speakers with the revealing soundstage of the over the top high end. Then you have the speaker systems that produce great sound no matter what you push thru them. There are conventional designs that are tower speakers. I am nothing but a listening engineer. The results are in. There is two channel sound that takes proper component matching. I know that you say....who the fu%&^k do you think you are? Well.... I have spent more time doing research that most of the owners of any audio salon. I am a Free Agent. Not supressed by brands that I sell. Ok. AMW1001. This is my 2 channel. Headphone users get over my enthusiasm for real speakers. I'm going to listen to my HiFiMan hp. Everybody is sleeping in the home. Big D
     
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    First time I hear about a "listening engineer".
     
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    Grahad2 Red eyes from too much anime

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    Well it's the first time I hear a person go "I know more than MOST OF YOU" to "any advice?" and "I am a computer engineer I have 20 HDDs spinning all the time" to "I can't use quotes or do a google search" without feeling that irony.
     
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    @Grahad2
    Show some respect for your elders.

    You're a habitual complainer. Hope you have a better non complaining tomorrow.

    I have setup over $40 million dollars worth of equipment for clients of mine. I am ready to leave this place and just lead the retired life. I have a big head. It is because of my time spent doing what I love and the time taken for R&D to get the proper designs for my clients. You will never meet anyone like me. I don't want you to like me. But at my age of 60, I have seen the world. I want some respect. Overblown ego should not make me a bad person. Meet me in the flesh. The internet is so dark. I am a leader and a positive part of society in person. So many lives I have changed. It's getting to the point that I might leave this site. This is the first time posting on the web. Such trolls can be disrespectful to the elders. If I did this to your Dad, would you like it?
     
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    I'm pretty sure Schiit employs one.
     
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    Cskippy to the rescue.

    Mark Levinson is on it's way. Friday is the planned delivery. It could be my new amplifier of choice.

    I took a couple of days off from listening to the livingroom sytem. Tired old man here. Got a nap today and feel refreshed. CD Transport getting hooked up tomorrow with the Morrow Audio Reference 3 Coax cable. Could be good.

    Still waiting to hear about what thoughts are from Schiit or others about better sound with XLR from these exotic amplifiers that I'm using. Instead of RCA inputs from the Freya Preamplifier.

    Oh yeah. Then there's the SingXer SU-1 box going from my Win10 tablet to it and then Coax the DAC. Will that be the decrappifier that is needed for USB cable from the Tablet to get good sound? A little help here. I would buy it tomorrow if I could get an answer.

    When I buy the Yggdrasil I could buy an AES/E** cable to connect from the SingXer to the Yggdrasil. Even better connection.
     
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    Make sure to use a tungsten carbide cutter, no need to pollute your sound with suboptimal carbon steel. Ceramic cutters would work too, really anything that doesn't ruin your cables by shedding those disgusting easily-oxidized iron particles. Would you want to ruin your system for the sake of convenient chinesium tooling? Yeah, right.
     
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    Just strange for someone with so much "expertise" seems to know very little. Just a lot of contradictory statements. Your claim of being an "engineer" seems questionable at best, unless you being an "engineer" is the same as a janitor is called a "sanitation engineer".

    This is something that seems to have not transferred over from changstar where there's an unwritten rule where people should be themselves (be genuine) and we judge/accept people not by their qualifications but by their content (individuality).
     
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    Seems like the moment for...

     

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