USB Nervosa Thread Decrapifiers, pro interfaces, and bears oh my

Discussion in 'Digital: DACs, USB converters, decrapifiers' started by zerodeefex, Sep 28, 2015.

  1. ColtMrFire

    ColtMrFire Writes better fan fics than you

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    Funny enough I experienced this to a severe degree with a recent RCA interconnect purchase. Morrow audio cables are notorious for having extreme performance swings during break in. I did some research before buying the MA1, and just about everyone reported massive swings in SQ over a 300-500hour period. Morrow audio even put this "warning" on their site and literature that came with the cable. Indeed, in the first several hours the SQ was superb over my stock cables, but things sounded absolutely horrible at around 100 hours or so, (you couldnt even bear to listen to it) then did a gradual ascent from there until about 400 hours with dips along the way. The effect was anything but subtle.
     
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    Just about every mod I make re-starts the settling in clock all over again.

    It used to take ≈150 hrs or so but that time figure grew considerably as the level of tweak went up to where its now at 500± hrs.

    Thankfully the initial 12 hr window is a good indicator of the contribution the mod (or whatever) that was most recently introduced will make.
    And along the way I have also heard, what I now refer to as a "Toilet Dump" episode, where the SQ heads into the swirling abyss only to reach new heights in SQ after as few as 2 days but in some cases as many as 5-6 days of continuous playback.
    During these episodes the SQ goes dull, boring, lifeless and flat, as in 2d, with dried up bass, screechy highs and no T3 (Toe Tapping Time) nor HB&W (Head Bobbing & Weaving).
    Like I said lifeless, and dull and boring.
    The first time it happened I thought that the last mod was the culprit but when the SQ came back it set new heights in a number of aspects in SQ.

    JJ
     
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    I like to pretend USB things like this don't exist and play with records and VTF, VTA, azimuth, etc. instead. Actually I don't even bother once those are set. I just sit down and enjoy.

    Moral of the story: You digital guys will NEVER be happy. Been there. Done that. I speak from experience.
     
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    I'm happy with my digital rigs, and also happy I don't spin scratchy plastic frisbees with diamond needles.
    ever. again.

    when you post that video of burning that iDSD nano, i'll post gasoline and flames onto a broken turntable I had. ;)
    good riddance vykneel.
     
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    Hahaha. I'd actually like to try an Lynx E22 PCI card for a direct from computer SPDIF out. Maybe we can get one for the loaner program.
     
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    Getting a Lynx doodad in. Anyone got a Mutec so I can compare?
     
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    I need this to happen. Also a rednet if possible, even if the Lynx was close in Luckbad's comparison.
     
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    Any observations on the RedNet? Is this even worthy? I have my doubts with Focusrite.
     
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    I have a 1.2 on its way to me that I could send your way, though I imagine you meant a 1.3+.

    I can also send the Singxer F-1 I have on way to me, both should be here by Friday.

    It's funny to see that the OR5 seems to have fallen completely out of favor--why is that? Wasn't it the best thing around 2-3 years ago?
     
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    Doesn't the OR5 require the third party Hi-tech USB driver? Last I checked a couple months ago, the buffoons at Hi-tech still hadn't released a working version of the driver for El Capitan. So if you upgraded your OSX within the last year, you probably bricked the OR5 sans other transport options.
     
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    I didn't think the OR5 (no upgrades) was any better than the stock Gen 3 USB - maybe different. The Data III transport was better than all the other options, so I moved on. The thing that hurt the OR5 is its price.
     
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    Experimenting with RN D16 + mutec reclocker / format translation to AES/EBU or SPDIF and then to yggdrasil / gumb. Hope to have some measurements available in the near future. My ears enjoy this delivery format over USB, not to mention breaking the 16 ft 5 in umbilical.
     
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    Tell me when you get the Lynx in, and ready, I'll send you a Mutec 3+USB. Should be interesting.
     
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    I had the Rednet D16 for about 4 days. I posted my thoughts on this website somewhere in one of these threads. Anyway, I had a hard time telling the difference between it and the Singxer USB F-1 both were good. Both were better than the Yggdrasil's usb gen 3.
     
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    Ask Atomic Bob about his impressions…

    JJ
     
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    He posted right before you. Luckbad seems to have had one the longest here (but sold it) and posted his impressions a while back (http://www.basshead.club/spdif-battle-mutec-singxer-lynx-rednet-et-al/). I was curious how the supposed current best state of the art digital chain (Rednet + Mutec 3+ USB as a spdif reclocker) compared to Marv's vinyl setup since he isn't hyped on digital these days.
     
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    Not to speak for Marv but I've always found mid price vinyl thrashes high end digital, everytime. And this includes $20k Dcs Dac setups vs 5k table/arm/cart/preamps. The only bummer is newer stuff (music) and great old stuff is just hard or pricey to get in vinyl, and vinyl mastering/stamping/pressing variations make huge differences. But then USB cables or digital candles can make even bigger (different) ones.
     
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    I too am running an RN3 and are just now finishing up a few RN3 internal tweaks.
    One of them is to run AES3 instead of SPDIF as it is 'Better' even when using a $$$ SPDIF cable when compared to a $$ AES breakout cable.

    And using the Mutec re-clocker as an SPDIF/AES 'buffer' does help, as do 'Better' word clocks etc.
    But even without these added outboard tweaks, the RN3 is superior to using USB or SPDIF as the source, even to then feed it via SPDIF.

    JJ
     
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    Which one? The el cheapo E22 pcie card should be fine.

    Beware the mud , transient compression, and false dynamics of USB reclockers, USB <-> SPDIF/AES dongles, and SDIF <-> AES dongles. Just like pressing to vinyl!
     
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    Couldn't agree more. Except having the experience part. Marv trumps me there
     

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