Merv's Politically Incorrect Audio Blog

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  1. Boops

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    LOL. Someone with an actual plan to fight the pandemic that is currently running rampant across the entire country just won the election and the market responds favorably. Must be a conspiracy! There has been a steady progression of good news out of vaccine trials for the past six months and each time there's been some market optimism. More than enough good news for Trump to have capitalized on, but instead he was too busy f'ing the COVID response in every possible way.
     
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    Lol I was thinking the exact same thing the other day, and my research has shown he seems to be pretty decent at golf, but is also a complete cheat as well haha

    https://golf.com/lifestyle/celebrities/how-why-president-trump-cheats-golf-playing-tiger-woods/

     
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    Is just delivering in one day on the vaccine that few weeks ag was deemed six month away and would be unsafe anyway. It must be Biden's plan at work. Actually it was just a taskforce to put the plan together. So the results and the blinding speed, that what's so amazing.
     
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    The results are certainly good news, but the speed/timeline is not that surprising. Pfizer started final stage of clinical testing back in July. Fauci said at the end of October that a vaccine could be ready for high-risk people by late December/early 2021. Lots of previous news showing that this timeline was possible if progress kept being made.
     
  5. purr1n

    purr1n Desire for betterer is endless.

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    The explanation could be more simple. Maybe Trump was a dick to Pfizer CEO in private? We'll never know. Stuff like this happens.
     
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    I know that the work on the vaccine has been going on for quite a while. I also know that some viable options where undergoing trials. There was also work on figuring out manufacturability and other logistics. I was not left with the impression that Dump was pushing to make a solution readily available. Dump seemed more concerned about how to profit with the availability of such solution, overseas and domestic.

    Either way, I cringe at the idea that folks are going to attribute the availability of COVID solutions to Lord Viden or Dump past efforts. There are hard working people doing all they can to deliver a solution. This I'm not assuming, I f'ing know. This while Dump is doing Dump-things, and Darth Viden is doing Viden-things. If anything, all these two have to do is facilitate or get out of the way.
     
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    Trump: How's that vaccine coming along?
    Pfizer CEO: It's coming along great. Stage 3 trials are going and early results look good, but it's hard to say.
    Trump: Can you do me a favor? Make a public statement that it works, or something like that.
    Pfizer CEO: I don't think that's wise right now. The trial ends in November and we have independent monitors.
    Trump: Look, if you don't, I'm gotta put the Feds on you. We'll look into your books, you know what I mean?
    Pfizer CEO: I'm sorry Mr. President, we just can't do that.

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    Pfizer Scientist: Looks like we have solid data: it works and is safe. We'll be good when the trial ends.
    Pfizer CEO: f**k that guy. Let's wait until after the election to say anything.
     
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    Let's say this vaccine was available 1 months ago. Just recently three blocks from me here 21 people in long term care facility got infected. Most of them are doomed. So if Pfizer CEO, and it was not only Pfizer, had a vaccine 1 months ago and did not tell us because Trump was not nice to him, I want this motherfucker to die a painful death.
     
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    The vaccine is not available and won't be until the phase 3 trials end, which is end of November. All of this is on record. The end of the trial could still be delayed if someone dies or gets really sick. After the phase 3 trial, Pfizer still needs to apply for an approval for use by the FDA. If approved, it will still take time to ramp up production. Likely healthcare workers would get the vaccine first. CEO Pfizer made this clear. The statement was that in trials, 90% efficacy was achieved against a control group.

    Pfizer CEO needs to be careful in any statements because he says something wrong, he could be sued, or the FDA, SEC or other Federal powers can punish him. Whether Pfizer CEO knew of the vaccine's efficacy, that is enough to make a very public statement, before or after the election, we don't know. Maybe he knew about the 90% efficacy shown in the phase 3 trials last week and decided to not say anything because he disliked Trump. Maybe he actually didn't know with any level of certainty until this weekend. Personally, I don't think he needed to say anything until after the phase 3 trials were over.

    We're not Russia or China, willing to give less than thoroughly tested medicine to people. The Pfizer vaccine is based on mRNA. A little scary. These types of treatments have been proven to be safe in cancer patients. However, it's different when used on otherwise healthy people. Maybe I am paranoid and have been reading too much Sci-Fi, but the last thing we would want is the mRNA to pick up proteins and become a nasty bug in itself.
     
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    Trump vs. Pfizer sounds a lot like Trump vs. Fox News:

    Nov 3 AM: Trump slams Fox News on Fox News.
    Nov 3 after AZ polls close: Fox execs say f**k him, let’s call AZ for Biden with 50% of the vote in.
     
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    @wormcycle , I didn't know you did such a great sideline in conspiracy theories?

    Look... There is one difference.

    Pfizer developing a vaccine in the time of Biden is Pfizer developing a vaccine. Pfizer developing a vaccine in the time of Trump is I promised you vaccine and I am giving you a vaccine vote for me it's all my vaccine.

    Look, ok... all kinds of shenanigans happen in the commercial world, and they may even be linked with politics, and just because it is a life-saving drug or vaccine doesn't exempt it. I think that western-science medicine is wonderful, but perhaps the pharma companies are not all run bys saints.

    Also, there are so many vaccines near release.
     
  12. purr1n

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    Albert Bourla said in October 16 that they would know the results by the end of October. If you ask me, I think he purposely kept his mouth shut about the efficacy of the vaccine in the Phase 3 trials because was irked that Trump said in the Sept 29th Debate that vaccines were weeks away.

    I bet that people who run big pharma companies that make new medicines which need to pass FDA criteria, probably don't like being pushed around.

    Mr. Bourla's statements dated October 16, 2020 on the second and third requirements for a vaccine (not demonstrated yet):

    To ensure public trust and clear up a great deal of confusion, I believe it is essential for the public to understand our estimated timelines for each of these three areas...​

    The second requirement is to prove that the vaccine is safe. FDA is requiring that companies provide two months of safety data on half of the trial participants following the final dose of the vaccine. Based on our current trial enrollment and dosing pace, we estimate we will reach this milestone in the third week of November.

    So let me be clear, assuming positive data, Pfizer will apply for Emergency Authorization Use in the U.S. soon after the safety milestone is achieved in the third week of November. All the data contained in our U.S. application would be reviewed not only by the FDA’s own scientists but also by an external panel of independent experts at a publicly held meeting convened by the agency.

    the last requirement will be the submission of manufacturing data that demonstrates the quality and consistency of the vaccine that will be produced.
    It's not like making headphones.
     
  13. Thad E Ginathom

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    Ahh, there was sanity in a previous post. Missed that.

    Politicians should keep off this stuff anyway. "We are going to bring you a vaccine" was one of the things that made me highly uncomfortable. I'd rather the scientists brought me one, thanks.

    (With acknowledgement that the politicians of a country could have a place in funding and, maybe cheerleading, but not anything else. And certainly not taking the credit. And god forbid that they should be part of the approval process)
     
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    The Pfizer vaccine is also not like the flu shot. It requires a two-dose schedule, and they claim that immunity protection is achieved 28 days after the initial dose. So this could create the potential for a big mess. People could get the first shot, think they have immunity protection, then potentially get sick over the next month. Perhaps their symptoms would be less severe, but they would likely still have the ability to transmit the virus to others. So while this is promising news, it doesn't really seem like the vaccine breakthrough we were hoping for: [link to Pfizer press release]. Evidently it requires cold storage too.
     
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    Is this the one I was reading needs to be at -80C (-112F)? I was reading in the context of how the f**k is anyone going to manage that here in India?

    Previously, cold storage for vaccines has meant, to me, they keep it in the fridge. So you get it from places big enough to generators. 144 F degrees below freezing? shit.
     
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    The market had dropped significantly in the final weeks just before the election, from anxiety about unrest and disruption across the nation. Riots and civil war didn't happen, and the rise is largely a correction back to where it would be without the election.
     
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    Speaking of numbers and conspiracy:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political...ns-election-fraud-after-analyzing-mail-ballot (I know nothing about this site and assume its not a left or right conspiracy haven - it was sent to me by a friend who is a math prof at the local university)

    With monopolistic Dem rule in the inner cities, the legitimacy of what they do will be called into question and with good reason/precedent (e.g. all those dead people in Chicago who voted for Kennedy 60 years ago). I can't imagine that whatever the amount of fraud there really was it was enough to effect the outcome, but perhaps analysis such as this can clear the air either way.
     
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    Why shoudn't ghosts vote? Seems like a good idea to me.

    (That would probably have been another 200,000 for Biden |\/| )
     
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    There may be a few hundred votes that could be counted to him with a recount but again the way the counts are coming in he won't win.

    What I find disturbing is that Trump is putting the integrity of our electoral system in danger. What brought him into office in 2016 is the same system that brought Biden into office 2020. When he won in 2016 he also mentioned that there was voter fraud. One of his first ask was to have a committee to find this voter fraud and stamp it out. Guess what? It was inconclusive.

    Also, the Republicans still hold the Senate and if you call the votes in question, you are also calling that in question. People just didn't like Trump. I just hope that both parties can reach across the isle and work together. Manufacturing and coal (oil has almost put the nail in that coffin) have been on the decline in red states which are leaving people without jobs. It doesn't help that's one of the triggers for the opioid epidemic and throw covid in. Who knows, 2024 may swing right back to Republicans with a lame duck administration.
     
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    Trump holds the presidency in this election, and the Senate had (and maybe still does) Republican majority. Not to mention new Chief Justices. In my mind, if anyone had the power to keep the election integrity, it would be Trump.

    I can understand the average powerless Joe to feel frustrated in the event of electoral fraud. Average Joe's would bitch and take to arms. But the sitting President of the United States with a Senate majority? Bitching? Who is he going to take to arms against? Himself?

    EDIT: That is something I never got from Dump. Why is he rallying when he is already the President? It's like Stalin calling for a Revolution, when he is the f'ing Premier. WTF?
     

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