Star Wars: The Force Awakens [SPOILERS ABOUND]

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  1. TMRaven

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    My explanation of Ren's lightsaber comes straight from the Episode 7 visual dictionary. I dunno if it's retconning, since I'm not trying to revise anything about the movie. However, the video was funny.
     
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    Nope still love it. But then again, I don't watch TV or other media where you are captive to marketing. It hasn't made it into the video games I play unless I'm playing a Star Wars game (no, not playing the new Battlefront...)

    Don't forget the Asian Rebel/Republic/Side-With-Brown-Uniforms General.

    And he was a pretty bad actor being directed by a horrible director who can't direct living human beings.
     
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    I'm on the verge of starting an "In defense of..." thread.

    You guys are old and grouchy. :p
     
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    The problem was that Anakin in the prequels was a completely different character than Vader in the originals. Anakin in the prequels was a just a whiny, psychotic murderer whom the original trilogy Obi Wan would've force kicked off a cliff about two seconds after the first time he starts f'ing with him. Obi Wan chops peoples arms off for tapping his shoulder and hassling him at a bar. So you'd think if old Obi Wan behaves like The Man with No Name or Sanjuro the ronin meets Merlin, young Obi Wan would be some crazy devil without a cause, whiskey priest meets samurai type. Instead prequel Obi Wan is an oblivious stuck up twit who quotes dialogue from the original movies as he's seen them somehow. This is almost every character from the original movies, even the Emperor. The writing in the prequels is just Charles Barkley "turrible."

    JJ Abrams Star Trek Wars is better as it doesn't have people sitting on couches talking to each other or walking down CGI hallways talking to each other but it still as the pew pew pew shitty battles you don't care about and CGI monster people who don't do anything as this isn't a Pixar movie, this is Star Wars.
     
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    Who the hell green-lighted another $900 quadrillion for Death Star "Titanic" III? I'm hoping the scene from that board meeting is in the blu-ray extras. "f**k it. Let's do it!"
     
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    Of the three leading, whiney, petulant children in the three Star Wars trilogies, Kylo Ren so far is my favorite. Anakin was just annoying, Luke was great as a archetype but horribly boring as a character. At least Kylo Ren is more believable and slashes stuff when he's cranky.

    In this movie we got more characters than archetypes and nobody dared talk about galactic politics for fear of sounding anything like the prequels.

    And I thought Transformers I was terrible.
     
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    LOL, that would be cool.
    She's sort of a force master so it would make sense. Kind of funny that she was left on that planet just like luke on tattooine. But she'll be OP. She controlled that stormtrooper, and she wasn't teached, and also almost didn't knew what the force is, LOL! WTFCK?!

    Hope that the Kylo dude don't redeem himself, boy deserve a force stroke, althought I'm pretty sure they will make he a good dude in the end, errr

    And Kylo is shit with the lightsaber, but, wasn't he the one who betrayed the new "jedi academy" that Luke had, and killed everybody? How could he have killed everybody if he lose for a noob?!

    BTW I liked the movie
     
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    rough crystal?
    Uhnn wasn't red crystals supposed to be artificial and so they should be "perfect",
    oh f**k, almost 10 years reading comics, playing games, and now, all that old canon stuffs are gone.
     
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    Some kind of cracked crystal according to the dictionary.
     
  10. ultrabike

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    Saw the movie. May comment more later. IMO Rey character was bestest. Not impressed w the movie. Lacks originality.
     
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    exactly that.. and Rey was cute .... girl power !
     
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    All the badguys felt really easy. That's the Dizney imposing itself, I never felt the goodguys were in much danger. Too much good luck I guess. I had high expectations and I should'va had none, I wasn't wowed. It's a good movie, despite the boring plot with very little surprises, and it's pretty fun, but I'm not as excited for the next two films as I was for this one.
     
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    She's OK, but my Slave Leia dreams are shattered...

    Don't read the following unless one has already seen the movie, too much of the plot literally given away here:

    So here is my main issue with this movie: Did we really needed a IV remake? I mean I, II, and III were pretty much implied by IV, V, and VI (minus the midiclorian, Jar-Jar-Binks, retardroids, Count Dracula, Trash Can Raceing, and bunch of other stuff we could live w/o). One could argue that there was not much room to manuever (not really), but IMO VII was a full blown opportunity for something new. WTF Happened! Why did I see a politically correct and racial/age/gender diverse version if Episode IV with a weakling Lord Vader wannabe that couldn't make it to Sith since the school closed. WTF happen with my Slave Leia dreams!!!

    Anyhow.

    1) Where the f**k did the New Order came from? A few years and the Republic is now the Resistance. WTF? Was the Republic getting high on crack while things were going down south?

    2) Shit loads of storm troopers (from who the f**k knows where). One black white-armored dude deserts. What's the back story for this? Are desertions common? WTF happened? Storm troopers can't shoot for shit. Even Ewoks kick their asses. Not this dude. WTF.

    3) General Han Solo is back! Smuggling pot and random monsters. Again WTF!

    4) Coincidence after coicidence: Of all the worlds, the ONE storm trooper that calls it quits, lands on the ONE world where Rey lives in the world where THE Millenium Falcon was trashed canned. And Han finds them in a few minutes (after f'ing years!), to send them to some random Grandma with powars and wisdom (i.e. orange female Yoda). And R2-D2 finally wakes up to help reveal where Luke Skyslacker lives. Just in time.

    5) One word: Deathstar. I mean build the f'ing imperial (or whatever Order) navy w star destroyers, and forget about the f'ing Deathstar pipe-dream. It makes no sense after 2 Deathstars blown back to back in record time.

    6) Kylo Ren: Yeah. No.
     
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    Kylo Ren, the one figure that should have commanded fear, hate, anger, leadership ... was comical. Lord Vader was many things, none of which was comical IMO.

    W/O Rey, IMO this film would have been a disaster.
     
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    "Please grampa, tell me about all those evil things you did!"

    I mean, that was a kinda deepish part right there, since Kylo thinks Vader was this all powerful evil motherfucker when he actually was a good guy in the end and was forgiven, so that was an alright part of the movie, but he commanded no respect, and neither did bighead supreme leader. The Emperor was so much more mysterious and dark. Supreme leader just sounds too anime-e for some reason, and noone seemed to respect anyone. Kylo also sucked at swordplay, since TR-8R seemed to keep up fairly well even though he had zero experience with lightsabers.
     
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    Do you think Darth Vader would have invoked bone-chilling fear at that age? We saw him in his mid 40s after many many years growing into his role.

    Also, I thought the opening village scene was about as evil/cold as you can get.
     
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    All he did was kill one dude, and sure, the whole force power freeze time thing was cool, but noone seemed to care all that much. It wasn't like "Holy shit, look at that, I'm afraid of him."
     
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    As far as lightsaber duels, we do have the "I have the higher ground" bullshit from Episode III as presedent of pure fail. So anything is possible. Even a low ranking storm trooper, that shouldn't be able to shot down a pasturing cow, giving Kylo Ren a hard time. It would proly take Vader 5 seconds to dismiss a squadron of storm troopers while watching porn though his way cool helmet.
     
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    Vader would have kicked Finn's butt by just looking at him (he pretty much did that to Admiral Ozzel though his HDTV while promoting Piett).

    The village scene was somewhat weird. Folks should have been interrogated at the very least. Evil dude had bigger fish to fry than delete a 100 folk farmer village. Dude shouldn't have given two fucks after getting every bit of information possible from those poor bastards and let his lackies take care of them at their own discretion.
     
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    Ultra, some of your questions are answered in the new books, comics, visual dictionaries, blah blah blah that were released leading up to and around the time of the movie, such as origins of the First Order and such.

    Should they have swapped out some minutes of the pew pew and replaced it with that information so viewers don't have to hunt down outside information? Yes.

    OTOH, reading quick summaries of the new expanded content before the movie A) did help me get into the swing of things more easily and B) helped me waste a good 30 minutes at work.
     

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