Oh Sh#7! Eddie Current Studio B

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  1. zonto

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    @atomicbob also spoke about the Yggdrasil LIM + Studio B synergy here: https://www.superbestaudiofriends.o...t-yggdrasil-lim-technical-measurements.12728/

     
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    @rcracin: let us know entire chain once you get everything in. TBH, slap in some JJ or Linlai 300Bs, and you will be good to go with the HD650 and Gungnir A2. This is really a setup where you can just stop, and from here there's really no such thing as going up, it would really be going sideways (different), which is fine. Most people on HF or YT are just spinning their wheels in entry level hell or mid-fi purgatory. You just bypassed all of that.

    I think the only thing holding you back a little bit are the SE outputs from the Gungnir A2. You may get a little bit less clarity and more grey haze. There are ways to fix this, either with a different DAC or with XLR->RCA line level transformers so that you can use the clearer sounding BAL outputs from the Gungnir A2. However, don't be alarmed, you will have something out of the box that will just be fantastic. Enjoy music first and worry about optimizing and tweaking later.
     
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    I also enjoyed Gungnir A2 with Studio B, but by far my favorite is Yggdrasil GS. I mostly use ZMF Atriums and 650 kiss modded headphones, and that combination is a treat with both. Bifrost 2 is also worth a mention, but it was a bit on the dark side since the 650s already tilt a tick dark.
     
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    Have you tried the Studio B with the MIB? Thoughts?
     
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    I personally like a a more fun, warmer tilted dac with the Studio B. Mojo Mystique v2s float around for low to mid $1ks, or maybe a lampizator Amber.


    But really start a bit smaller and get a preference. A schiit BF2 is a good starting point and very reasonable used. The used market is your friend.
     
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    The goods arrived today. Up and running super quick. Anyone wanna school me on posting pics?
     
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    When I first got my Studio B I had the BF it was very good then the LIM which I did not think was a good match, to dark, slow and truncated notes , boring to me. The Gungnir MB A2 was perfect, still using it. I had a transformer convertor built so I could use the Balanced outs to my single ended amp, it is worthwhile. Marv has lots of info on the site on how to do theis. Enjoy, I only sold it as I now am 99% 2 channel and have a Piety for headphone duty.
     
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    strange, it doesn’t appear for me.
     
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    Same story, but I am using my Studio Junior as a preamp for my 2 channel rig (still for headphones tho). ;)
     
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    FWIW, I used a Yggdrasil LIM for the past 2 years with my Studio Jr and enjoyed the pairing the most. Other DACs I compared it to included the Gungnir Multibit A2, Holo Spring 2, Yggdrasil A1. The LIM was consistent more realistic, with more depth to each note. A/B comparisons were very obvious. However, recently I brought in a Gustard R26 for a test trial and I could not tell a major difference between the R26 and the Yggdrasil LIM. Will be going forward with the Gustard R26 for now due its dual voltage option (possibly moving between countries).

    Also in terms of unbalanced RCA and balanced XLR outs for the Gungnir Multibit or Yggdrasil, I switched from a Jensen transformer box to the Schiit Lokius, which I know has been written about in another thread on SBAF. While there might be some sonic trade-offs with the Lokius, I felt like the 6-band EQ and the additional input/outputs the Lookius provided were a better bonus. I actually used the Lokius as a simple A/B comparison box with one DAC through the unbalanced inputs and another through balanced inputs (I realize it's not a perfect A/B, but hey it worked for me!).

    As an aside, I've been wanting to ask this question for a while, but held off after reading prior posts on the Studio B and AF threads regarding rolling adapted tubes (consensus seemed to be don't do it).

    What are the downsides of adapting a 12AU7 or 6SN7 to the 396A input tube position? I saw a Studio B owner on a different site use a 6SN7 to 396A adapter and I felt a bit skeptical. Today I got in a pair of 12A*7 to 396A adapters to test out with one of my favorite tubes (Brimar CV4033 from the 1950s), and it sounds fantastic compared to my WE396A square getters. Wary about any potential stress this adapted tube would put on the other amp components though. Thanks in advance for any advice!
     
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    I’ve got both some Yggdrasil A1 boards from eBay and a GS firmware chip thanks to JK47 on the way. I’ll let the thread know what I think of it with the SB versus LIM soon, just for another data point. I’ve only heard SB with LIM, so will be interesting - the time I spent with Yggdrasil A2 was when I had a BHA-1, and favored LIM then.
     
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    • Studio Jr. needs a darker, more laid-back, organic sounding DACs.
    • You are absolutely right with your approach to Lokius. Sure some minor penalty hits, but you get 6 band-EQ. Two different philosophies: having fun and flexibility -vs- purist
    • Lokius as AB for comparing balanced and SE from sources is problematic in that the balanced inputs are gimped because there is an additional summer circuit.
    • 12A*7 with the Studio Jr. won't harm it. Maybe the operating parameters aren't idea for it, which will mean more distortion, earlier clipping, etc. The 12A*7 are typically bit more distorty and thus wet sounding, so could end up pairing well with the Studio Jr which can be a bit dry sounding. Whatever sounds best to you since there is no harm.
    • 6SN7 draws twice the current for the heater. I don't remember what Craig did in the design - how much leeway there is for the heater. At this point, I am tired of explaining why one shouldn't stick tubes not per the design of the amp, just because they fit into the socket. The one thing I will say is that Craig is old and tired, and thus unlikely to be in the mood to service amps. For all I care, people can stick their dicks into the tube sockets.
     
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    Always appreciate your honesty!

    If this is helpful for any future Studio B/Jr owners, my current tubes are the adapted Brimar 12AT7 BRIMAR CV4033 - Very Rare, Early 1956 - Mil Black Plate, 3-MICA Square – Pulse Tubes Store (pulsetubestore.com), EML 300B solid plates, and a Mullard GZ32/5V4G rectifier.

    I actually found the GZ32 to make the most noticeable difference in terms of "wetness". I almost sold off my Studio Jr over the summer until I was testing out a box of tubes to sell with it, and stumbled upon an old Sylvania 5V4GA that surprised me with how good it sounded to me, even with the cheap bundled Psvane 300Bs that I hated.
     
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    Woof, tube prices these days. Still, thanks for the link, would rather buy from Pulse than fleaBay. They're also the purveyors of those good quality adapters/socket savers, using one now with the Mullard GZ34 fat base since I have an old Studio B with a recessed PSU rectifier socket that the fat base wasn't sitting in properly.

    Speaking of which, I assumed you tried a Mullard GZ34 before going GZ32? Unsure I want more wetness, but good to know anyway.
     

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