Campfire Audio Jupiter IEM Measurements and Review

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  1. jexby

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    ^this.

    Except already owning GOV2+Inf, no way I am going mojo.
    So maybe UERR + GOV2+Inf balanced for me in 2016.
     
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    I'll have a V2+ SE at some point in my life :). We can use that for comparison.
     
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    Just wanted to chime in with how awesome it is that you're doing iems again, Purrin.

    I'm interested in those 9 and 11khz peaks in terms of hearing damage/protection. What do you think? How do they show up in the ear?
     
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    I don't hear the peaks at all. The peaks may be related to the distance between the microphone and the treble drivers. This would be a subject of more interesting discussion after more data is gathered.
     
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    Very interested in these, I have wanted something UERM level but universal. I need to get my arse in gear ( or my head out of work ) and get to a few shows again..dB
     
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    Don, I'll take a listen at the meet and let you know. I have a better idea of your tastes based off the excellent YH100 I have right here.
     
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    much appreciated ..dB
     
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    The FR measurements are giving me major HD650 vibes. Should sound really good with pretty much everything. :)
     
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    I tried a bunch of things when measuring IEMs and found I got closest to big boy measurements using high temp silicone tubing. 1/2" inner diameter for the mic, 1/2" outer diameter for the earphone. About 3/4" distance between the tip of the IEM and the measurement mic.

    Vinyl tubing causes spikes just shy of 5 kHz pretty consistently.

    A local homebrew shop carries it.
    http://www.brewershardware.com/Silicone-Tubing-1-4-ID-X-1-2-OD.html
    http://www.brewershardware.com/Silicone-Hose-1-2.html

    Anyway... Extension looks nice. I've only ever really liked one BA-only IEM: the Noble 5. All of them lack in bass impact but the Noble has a nice liquid quality and solid bass.

    I'm a firm believer than you need a big dynamic driver for proper bass punch. I've listened to dozens of basshead earphones and almost all the satisfying ones have 10+ mm drivers (e.g. 16mm Sony monsters) or some clever method for bass delivery (like the Keltom tubes in JVC FXZ200s).

    Why am I still writing? Stalling while I wait to give my kid more Tylenol to make sure he doesn't puke it up. Hope you enjoyed the ramble.

    In summary, screw Balanced Armature Receivers. Unless there's a Dynamic Driver in there too.
     
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    First thread updated with official measurements. I've dialed in the IEM measurement rig. These will be going on the loaner program soon.
     
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    I use latex tubing. Sort of need it because it's the only thing that will stretch over the Behringer microphone. http://www.lowes.com/pd_443104-104-SLGE10_0__?productId=4566542

    For a dynamic driver IEM, Campfire Audio makes the Lyra. Maybe Nick can ask Campfire Audio to send us a review unit. I heard a pre-production Lyra and it had great promise.
     
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    I asked and they turned the opportunity down. When I go to CanJam I am going to focus on ramping up IEM loaners :)
     
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    My quick thoughts on the Jupiter:

    - Bass and mids are good. Well balanced overall. Slight warm tilt overall, not too far off from the HD6X0 sound.
    - Bass might sound a bit rounded. I feel like the HD650 puts out cleaner, tighter bass. This could also just be how my ears react to IEMs or various tips.
    - Upper treble sounds thin, brittle, and exaggerated on the Jupiter. Not painfully so, but I don't like it.
    - Seems fairly detailed.
    - Stage is decent, I suppose.

    I thought these were very, very overpriced for the sound you get, but, then again, I really don't care for the vast majority of IEMs I listen to.
     
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    Welcome to balanced armature sound. Third order distortion bass and brittle highs. I think you'd run away from UERMs.
     
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    What are you talking about, did you forget JH Layla at $2725.00 JH Roxanne at $1750.00 Noble Kaiser 10 at $1599.00 UE PRO at $1350.00 ??? With its gorgeous machined aluminium build Jupiter at $899.00 should be considered a bargain!

    ....oh come on, who cares about that in a world ruled by UERM and HD-800 on one side of the spectrum and Beats by Dre and EarPods on the other. After all what would you expect when even reviewers can't make up their minds on proper FR for neutral sound signature tirelessly coming up with terms helping to bounce between warm and analytical sides of neutral.

    Only lazy wouldn't want to capitalize on this. No wonder if Jupiter seems like overall a good deal in such situation.
     
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    Hands says "very very overpriced" in every review for anything that costs more than his mod'd HD650s or CI spdif converter.
    :p

    in my case, having demo'd these first- will reply in bottom up order.

    z) thought they were overpriced for not being customs. that being said, they are not the most overpriced on Urth as AZ mentioned.
    y) stage was very good, way better than UM3X (reshelled customs) and more cohesive than Heir 4.AiS (customs).
    x) thought detail was very good, made UM3X sound like a subway tunnel.
    w) yah, treble slightly thin.
    v) yielding to Hands, don't recall bass roll much, didn't recognize it as overly tight at the time for sure. (quit comparing IEMs to your mod'd open headphones)
    u) agree that overall bass/mids meshed well. slight warmth was there, but never dark. nor cloudy. nor rainy.
    (quit comparing IEMs to your mod'd open headphones. IMO, these/most every IEMs will always lose in such a comparison.)

    won't buy them at that price tag tho.
    got sick of tip rolling years ago, won't go back. would reconsider if Campfire made these Customs for the same price.
     
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    I am looking for something sounds like the Abyss - not neutral but glorious to listen to..dB
     
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    These took a while for me to acclimate to. When I initially plugged in, they sounded just off - the midst were very funky, I didn't think it was a fit issue because bass was very full but after messing with tips I found a better balance. Sadly, these are ultimately not my 'cup of tea'. I found the bass a little much ( and I am a little of a basshead) Perhaps I was spoiled as CEE TEE had graciously loaned me his FitEars (TG!334 v1 & v2) and these just suite my tonal preference with their overall balance and presentation .

    The Jupiter are well engineered but the cable swivel kept the cable slipping off my ears and I am not fond of the super slinky cable that looks like it will cink if not handled very carefully.

    ..dB
     
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    Thanks to Sphinx, I got a chance to hear these, hurray!

    Initial take is that these are pretty good, how fun!

    Some issues: My auditory system is giving me a background warning with this treble. I stopped the music after 20 minutes just to see if my ears were ringing--of course not--and I must have looked down at my volume control ten times and been like "nope, not even close to too loud, what the hell" each time. It might just be that I haven't listened to a multi-BA earphone in a while (peaks? 3rd order distortion? Whatever it is, my brain is wary of it), although I did give my K10s a spin two weeks back and no issues there (a very different tuning), so not sure.

    The sub-bass needs just a bit more extension (tracks with rumble-y explosion effects don't quite happen the way they should. "Bill Murray" by the Gorillaz is an example) and while the rest of the bass is quite good, it could have just a bit more clarity.

    Otherwise, to repeat: Pretty good for a subway ride, good balance, detail, generally very capable. Not a long train or plane iem for me, maybe if I used complys. Overall expression of joy: Whee!
     
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